US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[Toasted]

And? Did he say anything false?

Anyway, his comment is not so crazy. There have been a bunch of reports that hint at the fact that Trump isn't interested in actually governing

Nor is anyone else. POTUS is a horrible job.They're all in it for the perks.

[Yehuda57]

Dumbest. Comment. Ever.

Yes, because offering a VP slot to someone and putting them in charge of foreign and domestic policy shows a deep desire to actually do the job.

[aygart]

If you belive that Kasich got offered VP I have a bridge to sell you.

[Dan]

If you belive that Kasich got offered VP I have a bridge to sell you.

Officially offered, of course not.
But without a doubt they put feelers out. Kasich is very popular in a must-win state for Trump and all the evidence points that way.

[Yehuda57]

Even though the conversation has moved on, you thoroughly questioned my comments, so I feel the need to respond in kind.

completely agree on this point but I don't think hillary gives a cent about the constitution.

A wagon driver was once asked about an election, and he said it's like when he is sitting on the wagon and the horse does its business and the wheel rolls through the excrement. It makes one pile of feces on one side, one on the other.

Another thing to keep in mind is that were HRC to be in power, the GOP would likely be more active in blocking her than if the GOP would win and they would be more complacent and let things go through. (Like land giveaways and peace deals that have happen under a right wing government in Israel because there was no fighting opposition.)

definitely not more than hillary especially in regards to Islamic extremism which is one of the few things that really matter

Terrorism and Islamic extremism is not a social issue. And you can't say not worse than Hilary, if he keeps changing his mind depending on which way the wind blows, who is to say?

No more than Hillary for sure

That's simply not true. Every single one of his speeches is riddled with lies to the point the media doesn't even call him out on it. Her lies in office have been more consequential, sure, but Trump hasn't been in office. Judging by his campaign, he'd make Hilary look like a truth telling saint once in office.

And regarding her cover-ups, Trump has made dozens of errors and said many offensive things and NOT ONCE apologized or corrected himself. The very first apology to come from the campaign was Melania's speech writer, TWO DAYS late, after the campaign doubled down on in NOT being plagiarized.

this one I think is media created nonsense

On the contrary, I think it is UNDER-reported by the media. Jewish personalities have been abused and harassed with the most horrific Antisemitism from Trump supporters on social media. Trump rallies have had numerous Nazi chants and antisemitic outbursts. Does that make Trump an anti Semite? No, but he is willfully riling up his base of supporters, which includes these people, and he refuses to condemn it or disassociate himself from it. It even took him a while to disavow David Duke, and when asked last week if he'd endorse a dem over him, he said "I guess. It would depend on who the dem was."

The convention had instances of white supremacist's tweets displayed on billboards. General Flynn yesterday retweeted blatant antisemitism, and didn't take it down even after his tepid clarification. And this is all after Trump himself has retweeted white supremacists numerous times without apologizing.

If it happens once, twice three times, maybe, but this is a pattern of if not pandering, at least "winking" to a radical base of supporters that hates you and your family and wishes you dead.

what are you referring to here?

Firstly, banning someone from entering the country, or deporting someone from the country purely based on religion should send shivers down the spine of anyone from a different religion. It's essentially placing a "yellow star" on Muslims. Are the Jews next? If if your answer is "his daughter is Jewish" - is that not terrifying that you need to rely on a Jewish daughter to know he won't decide to deport all Jews?

I don't think he wants to deport all Jews, but making discriminatory laws based on religion *is* going against religious freedom.

Secondly, there are other areas of concern, (GIYF) including some of the ones mentioned up thread, about wedding halls and the like. when those concerns were raised by Christian groups, he at best evaded the question, at worst, negated the concerns.
 

That's Pretty much an oxymoron

A differing opinion on interpretation of the Constitution does not make it against the Constitution. It makes it different opinion.

All in all I'm not a fan of trump but every Time i hear hillary talk my very fiber of my being shudders. I can't pin point it exactly but I cannot stand her at all. I don't think there's a drop of authenticity left in her. ...

Agreed on every point, except I can put my finger on it, and I can put my finger on Trump's shudder inducing qualities as well. This country has one hell - literally - of an election this year. We're choosing between a conniving, dangerous, poisonous snake, and a hateful, bigoted, fascist.

You can pick your poison. I am staying home to cry.

[skyguy918]

Nor is anyone else. POTUS is a horrible job.They're all in it for the perks.

You misunderstand. Every president gets elected and then actually proceeds to do the job of president (to varying degrees). The reports are suggesting that Trump wants to be elected, and then have other people do literally all the work. The Kasich story alleges that DT Jr reached out to Kasich advisers to offer the VP slot, saying Trump's VP would be in charge of 'domestic and foreign policy'.

[Yehuda57]

If you belive that Kasich got offered VP I have a bridge to sell you.

Given the choice to pick between believing the Trump campaign or the Kasich campaign, I'll pick Kasich every day of the week.

[yuneeq]

You misunderstand. Every president gets elected and then actually proceeds to do the job of president (to varying degrees). The reports are suggesting that Trump wants to be elected, and then have other people do literally all the work. The Kasich story alleges that DT Jr reached out to Kasich advisers to offer the VP slot, saying Trump's VP would be in charge of 'domestic and foreign policy'.

I don't think the President is supposed to do all the work.
They delegate it to their trusted advisors while they make the final decisions on important matters.

Can't get anything done otherwise.

[skyguy918]

I don't think the President is supposed to do all the work.
They delegate it to their trusted advisors while they make the final decisions on important matters.

Can't get anything done otherwise.

Is everyone being intentionally obtuse? The president is busy just about all the time. Obviously you need hordes of staff to delegate things to, but the president is still 'working' harder than most people. The implication of those reports is that Trump wants to sit back and relax, and do no work all. Like delegate everything to the VP, and let the VP do whatever the president normally does. Put his feet up and relax in the White House for 4 years.

Is it true? Probably not. But at least let's all get on the same page as to what we're discussing here.

[Yehuda57]

Is everyone being intentionally obtuse?

Seems you can say that about any political conversation in 2016

[churnbabychurn]

Since when does Trump have a reputation of being lazy?

[hachover]

Officially offered, of course not.
But without a doubt they put feelers out. Kasich is very popular in a must-win state for Trump and all the evidence points that way.

Popular in 1 state, but made a fool out of himself to the other 49

[aygart]

Given the choice to pick between believing the Trump campaign or the Kasich campaign, I'll pick Kasich every day of the week.

If the question were intentionally lying then yes, but don't forget that this is coming from someone who still today thinks he is going to become the nominee at a brokered convention. He has a bit of an issue being in touch with reality.

[aygart]

Another thing to keep in mind is that were HRC to be in power, the GOP would likely be more active in blocking her than if the GOP would win and they would be more complacent and let things go through. (Like land giveaways and peace deals that have happen under a right wing government in Israel because there was no fighting opposition.)

The Ds are definitely more likely to go along with Hillary than the Rs are to go along with Trump.

One thing I cannot figure out is all the talk of a Trump dictatorship. Such leadrs have created dictatorships in countries where there is a parliamentary system and there is no separation of powers or where the president has significant amounts of power on his own. At the very least it would need for a parliametary body to go along with the president. In this case there is no sign of even the Rs in congress being ready to blindly go along with any and every policy put forth by Trump. The resistance from the Ds would be even greater. He does not have a blind following among the administrative state or the military either. To have the IRS go after opponents or the like requires the cooperation of the ilk of Lois Lerner. How would he get thepower to become a dictator? How would he be able to even start abridging freedoms? His opponent on the other hand has openly spoken about wanting to change the SCOTUS to enable criminal prosecution of those who produced a video against her. The administrative state has shown its willingness to cooperate with Ds in power against Rs not vise versa.

[yuneeq]

The Ds are definitely more likely to go along with Hillary than the Rs are to go along with Trump.

Doesn't seem like that considering the uproar from the Bernie camp

[aygart]

Even though the conversation has moved on, you thoroughly questioned my comments, so I feel the need to respond in kind.
A wagon driver was once asked about an election, and he said it's like when he is sitting on the wagon and the horse does its business and the wheel rolls through the excrement. It makes one pile of feces on one side, one on the other.

Another thing to keep in mind is that were HRC to be in power, the GOP would likely be more active in blocking her than if the GOP would win and they would be more complacent and let things go through. (Like land giveaways and peace deals that have happen under a right wing government in Israel because there was no fighting opposition.)
Terrorism and Islamic extremism is not a social issue. And you can't say not worse than Hilary, if he keeps changing his mind depending on which way the wind blows, who is to say?

That's simply not true. Every single one of his speeches is riddled with lies to the point the media doesn't even call him out on it. Her lies in office have been more consequential, sure, but Trump hasn't been in office. Judging by his campaign, he'd make Hilary look like a truth telling saint once in office.

And regarding her cover-ups, Trump has made dozens of errors and said many offensive things and NOT ONCE apologized or corrected himself. The very first apology to come from the campaign was Melania's speech writer, TWO DAYS late, after the campaign doubled down on in NOT being plagiarized.

On the contrary, I think it is UNDER-reported by the media. Jewish personalities have been abused and harassed with the most horrific Antisemitism from Trump supporters on social media. Trump rallies have had numerous Nazi chants and antisemitic outbursts. Does that make Trump an anti Semite? No, but he is willfully riling up his base of supporters, which includes these people, and he refuses to condemn it or disassociate himself from it. It even took him a while to disavow David Duke, and when asked last week if he'd endorse a dem over him, he said "I guess. It would depend on who the dem was."

The convention had instances of white supremacist's tweets displayed on billboards. General Flynn yesterday retweeted blatant antisemitism, and didn't take it down even after his tepid clarification. And this is all after Trump himself has retweeted white supremacists numerous times without apologizing.

If it happens once, twice three times, maybe, but this is a pattern of if not pandering, at least "winking" to a radical base of supporters that hates you and your family and wishes you dead.

Firstly, banning someone from entering the country, or deporting someone from the country purely based on religion should send shivers down the spine of anyone from a different religion. It's essentially placing a "yellow star" on Muslims. Are the Jews next? If if your answer is "his daughter is Jewish" - is that not terrifying that you need to rely on a Jewish daughter to know he won't decide to deport all Jews?

I don't think he wants to deport all Jews, but making discriminatory laws based on religion *is* going against religious freedom.

Secondly, there are other areas of concern, (GIYF) including some of the ones mentioned up thread, about wedding halls and the like. when those concerns were raised by Christian groups, he at best evaded the question, at worst, negated the concerns.
 
A differing opinion on interpretation of the Constitution does not make it against the Constitution. It makes it different opinion.

Agreed on every point, except I can put my finger on it, and I can put my finger on Trump's shudder inducing qualities as well. This country has one hell - literally - of an election this year. We're choosing between a conniving, dangerous, poisonous snake, and a hateful, bigoted, fascist.

You can pick your poison. I am staying home to cry.

90% of your post is simply that you have been sold on the D/MSM narrative and are seeing confirmation bias.

[aygart]

Doesn't seem like that considering the uproar from the Bernie camp

WHo are the bernie camp? What influence do they have at this point? Which members of congress are not firmly in the Hillary camp?

[yuneeq]

WHo are the bernie camp? What influence do they have at this point? Which members of congress are not firmly in the Hillary camp?

Bernie has TONS of followers.
Consider that without the superdelegates who were in HRC's pocket from before the race, HRC wouldn't be nominated.

Just looked it up, Bernie received 12,024,768 votes during the primaries.

[aygart]

Bernie has TONS of followers.
Consider that without the superdelegates who were in HRC's pocket from before the race, HRC wouldn't be nominated.

Just looked it up, Bernie received 12,024,768 votes during the primaries.

Is this supposed to refute what I wrote or prove it? Who are the superdelegates? The Washington establishment. Who were they all for? Hillary. So who exactly is stopping anything she would try to do? The college student high on weed?

[yuneeq]

Is this supposed to refute what I wrote or prove it? Who are the superdelegates? The Washington establishment. Who were they all for? Hillary. So who exactly is stopping anything she would try to do? The college student high on weed?

The general election?

When you said:

The Ds are definitely more likely to go along with Hillary than the Rs are to go along with Trump.

you were referring to politicians and not the general masses?