US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[skyguy918]

Which is extremely frightening. This shows how fragile our situation is in America if people don't care about bigoted violence as long as it is against Antifa. Who is next victim who they don't care about?

+1. How can every Jew not feel chills up their spine hearing literal nazis scream blood and soil, actually kill someone, and have the president refuse to make any sort of direct condemnation?

[Yehuda57]

The same "outrage" would've been against Bush or any R in office. Don't kid yourself. The media is so giddy that somebody on the right finally did this. Much of middle America doesn't really care that someone punched back against antifa.

I couldn't care less about media outrage. I'm outraged. As a Jew. As should everyone on this thread who championed Trump's ability to name and recognize Islamic terror.

For crying out loud, it's not that difficult. Nazis= BAD. Antifa =BAD. To what degree, to what extent, and how the media would or should report on it hardly matters. Call out the evil when you see it, and when your president doesn't [especially when he makes such a big deal about calling out evil] call him out too!

You can say the media is evil, and that Antifa is evil, and that Trump did a terrible thing, and that Hilary would still have been worse, and eat gefilte fish on Wednesday. All of those things can be true at the same time.

Believe me, I'm well aware of the media bias and the hypocrisy of the left. Look at this from Buzzfeed -
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/896990270775898112
Al Sharpton literally incited a pogrom that killed a Jew and he is being quoted about Nazi marches? Please.

That doesn't detract from the fact that the president of the United States REPEATEDLY REFUSES TO CONDEMN NAZIS.

[TimT]

Which is extremely frightening. This shows how fragile our situation is in America if people don't care about bigoted violence as long as it is against Antifa. Who is next victim who they don't care about?

Antifa is about converging on a town & disrupting or destroying it. They come wearing masks holding bats/batons/bricks/pipes & whatever else. They burn your cars & burn your store down after emptying it out. That's all in their playbook.

[TimT]

"Jewish leaders" joining Sharpton. Sad. He's caused more trouble for Jews over the last several decades than kkk & the other groups combined.

[aygart]

Antifa is about converging on a town & disrupting or destroying it. They come wearing masks holding bats/batons/bricks/pipes & whatever else. They burn your cars & burn your store down after emptying it out. That's all in their playbook.

And therefore?

[TimT]

And therefore?

Many don't consider them victims

[aygart]

Many don't consider them victims

Who else won't they consider victims?

[TimT]

Who else won't they consider victims?

If I come into your town & try to disrupt your life then don't consider me a victim.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

At least Trump learned to read what they wrote for him.

[TimT]

Bottom line is events like these will unfortunately only help these terror groups. They had their permit. Let them hold their signs & go home. Many of them are hardly relevant anymore compared to what they once were. This helps them big time. Take it from someone who keeps a close eye on them.

[aygart]

Bottom line is events like these will unfortunately only help these terror groups. They had their permit. Let them hold their signs & go home. Many of them are hardly relevant anymore compared to what they once were. This helps them big time.

So you feel that their plowing a car into a crowd the same way islamic terrorists have done should be ignored?

[aygart]

http://www.businessinsider.com/political-language-rhetoric-framing-messaging-lakoff-luntz-2017-8

[TimT]

So you feel that their plowing a car into a crowd the same way islamic terrorists have done should be ignored?

Nobody said that. He's gonna get what's coming to him. The organizers worked for months with law enforcement to have this be as peaceful as could be. And that's what it was until the "peaceful counterprotesters" were allowed to have a go at them with bricks/bats/urine bottles etc.

I never illegally lay down & block the roads because I expect to be run over.

[aygart]

Nobody said that. He's gonna get what's coming to him. The organizers worked for months with law enforcement to have this be as peaceful as could be. And that's what it was until the "peaceful counterprotesters" were allowed to have a go at them with bricks/bats/urine bottles etc.

I never illegally lay down & block the roads because I expect to be run over.

No difference. They took the bait and plowed a car into them. Had it remained peaceful on one side without any deaths it would be different.

[TimT]

Had it remained peaceful on one side

You mean like what happens every time a republican tries to speak at Berkeley's ? How's that work out ? After enough times being punched eventually you're gonna be very mad & punch back. And that punch is gonna be bigger than all the small punches you got.
That's why ya

Let them hold their signs & go home.

[aygart]

You mean like what happens every time a republican tries to speak at Berkeley's ? How's that work out ? After enough times being punched eventually you're gonna be very mad & punch back. And that punch is gonna be bigger than all the small punches you got.
That's why ya

How many republicans have been killed trying to speak at Berkely. I am shocked at how you do not see the major line crossed when someone is killed.

[Sport]

Which is extremely frightening. This shows how fragile our situation is in America if people don't care about bigoted violence as long as it is against Antifa. Who is next victim who they don't care about?

+1 the loss of any level of sophistication in our political discourse has left people tolerating  blatant hate and bigotry as long as the haters agree with their ideological view point. 

[TimT]

How many republicans have been killed trying to speak at Berkely. I am shocked at how you do not see the major line crossed when someone is killed.

Aha. So the difference  is "killed". If someone gets their head bashed in & is in a coma that's not so bad yet.

[aygart]

Aha. So the difference  is "killed". If someone gets their head bashed in & is in a coma that's not so bad yet.

Let's get this straight. Do you not find it troubling that these bigots plowed a car into a crowd? I am not sure where the berkely violence comes into play here at all.

You don't think a death is significantly worse than a serious injury?

[skyguy918]

Aha. So the difference  is "killed". If someone gets their head bashed in & is in a coma that's not so bad yet.

Link?