US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[thaber]

They're both terrible human beings, don't see how to differentiate.
And the other option is the hate Israel party. I'm sick to my stomach.

I think Baruch is on to something.  I remember,  during the whole Monica Lewinsky thing,  my RY gave a very uncharacteristic shmuess.  The basic thrust was that the president is someone who is to lead,  be looked up to,  be respected,  and to some degree emulated by the masses.  (and here we add the 'we have our own time models' disclaimer). 
Now one can argue that this argument applies to both candidates equally,  and they are both severely lacking.  I grant you that. But HRC requires some sophistication to see her lack of worthiness as a rule model.  Whereas one would be hard pressed to find any reason to respect someone who resorts to third grade playground nicknames like Lying Ted when he can't get along with someone. 

[churnbabychurn]

They're both terrible human beings, don't see how to differentiate.
And the other option is the hate Israel party. I'm sick to my stomach.

The answer should be who scares you most?
Trump is definitely capable of shaking up an already unstable world, while hrc will try to maintain the status quo by doing and saying as little as possible. (Not even mentioning Islamists etc) - both are kinda terrifiying options imho RCL

[aygart]

I think Baruch is on to something.  I remember,  during the whole Monica Lewinsky thing,  my RY gave a very uncharacteristic shmuess.  The basic thrust was that the president is someone who is to lead,  be looked up to,  be respected,  and to some degree emulated by the masses.  (and here we add the 'we have our own time models' disclaimer). 
Now one can argue that this argument applies to both candidates equally,  and they are both severely lacking.  I grant you that. But HRC requires some sophistication to see her lack of worthiness as a rule model.  Whereas one would be hard pressed to find any reason to respect someone who resorts to third grade playground nicknames like Lying Ted when he can't get along with someone. 

The name Lyin Ted was most definitely a tactical choice by Trump and not simply playground names. There are other things he has said or done which would be a greater concern than that.

[thaber]

The name Lyin Ted was most definitely a tactical choice by Trump and not simply playground names. There are other things he has said or done which would be a greater concern than that.

Yeah,  first thing that came to mind.  It was late

[CS1]

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And the other option is the hate Israel party. I'm sick to my stomach.

we can look at both cabinets. There is a big difference in the overall competence and the pro-Israel theme in one of them. That makes a better choice.

[skyguy918]

we can look at both cabinets. There is a big difference in the overall competence and the pro-Israel theme in one of them. That makes a better choice.

How exactly can you look at their cabinets with no realistic way of knowing who will be in either of their cabinets?

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Gary Johnson

[CS1]

How exactly can you look at their cabinets with no realistic way of knowing who will be in either of their cabinets?

we will have a better idea in the coming weeks -- however just by looking at who they like to surround themselves with: Trump with pro-Israel Kushner (and possible Palin and Trey for cabinet:
http://www.headlinepolitics.com/trump-just-announced-possible-cabinet-members-will-make-liberals-cringe/) versus Hillary with Wasserman-Schultz who backed the Iran deal and recently worked incompetently to chair the DNC and therefore was fired, along with Sidney Blumenthan and long-time Clinton Aide, anti-Israel Huma Abedin, then we get a sense of where they are heading and where their priorities, direction, and concern for Israel's safety are.

[cheesedawg]

Always be wary when you see a pro-Hillary shill pop up in forums...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html

Ummm ok, I asked legit questions that I'm curious to see how DDF people feel about

[jungarmtl]

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[cheesedawg]

Seriously?   

Please go troll elsewhere.

Not trolling! I live in Israel and hear this frequently (that Obama is bad for Israel) and this seemed like a good place to ask for an explanation since it seems that even potential HRC voters here believe that dems/Obama are "bad for Israel".

[yuneeq]

Ummm ok, I asked legit questions that I'm curious to see how DDF people feel about

Not our fault your candidate is proudly paying out millions to shills to post on forums.
Anything posted by an anonymous HRC supporter will never be taken seriously.

[jungarmtl]

I really can't understand how someone who has put the country in danger and is extreme careless in everything including emails Benghazi etc. is allowed to run ? i mean who knows what the next scandal will be, besides of the point that she has zero power as you look at the record , vs trump it's correct that he can't control his language but id doesn't mean that he will shake up the world how they call it, he is a smart and brilliant man and all of his close people that are around him will tell about his good heart and willing to help people and he is really the guy that will get things done as he has proven that last 40 years.   

[JTZ]

POTUS knocked it out of the park last night.

[thaber]

versus Hillary with Wasserman-Schultz who backed the Iran deal and recently worked incompetently to chair the DNC and therefore was fired

She did vote for Iran,  but has one of the strongest pro Israel records in the Democratic party.

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  and long-time Clinton Aide, anti-Israel Huma Abedin,

Source?

[aygart]

POTUS knocked it out of the park last night.

That is definitely not the consensus. The big issue I see is that many people will see a disconnect between how they see the direction the country is headed and how POTUS described it. I think he did okay but could have been much better at making the Hillary case.
http://www.salon.com/2016/07/28/obamas_dnc_letdown_the_president_needed_to_hit_it_out_of_the_park_but_he_surprisingly_fell_short/

[efflpetzel]

POTUS knocked it out of the park last night.

I thought Biden & Kaine were fantastic, POTUS less so

[Yehuda57]

POTUS knocked it out of the park last night.

It was positively Regeanesque

He made the case for Democracy over Authoritarianism succinctly. It was far more Conservative a speech than anything in Cleveland.

[aygart]

An interesting thing I noticed looking at RCP polls is that Trump's bump did not take anything away from Hillary and comes entirely from undecideds.

[aygart]

It was positively Regeanesque

He made the case for Democracy over Authoritarianism succinctly. It was far more Conservative a speech than anything in Cleveland.

James Taranto ‏@jamestaranto 13h13 hours ago

I thought this was one of Obama's better speeches. Apart from the disjunction with reality.

James Taranto ‏@jamestaranto 13h13 hours ago

James Taranto Retweeted Tony Lima

He'd have been a good president if he'd practiced what he's preaching tonight.

James Taranto added,
Tony Lima @TonyLimaPOL
@jamestaranto @POTUS best line tonight: “Democracy doesn’t work when we demonize each other.” Says the demonizer-in-chief.
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@jamestaranto You can see the lines between his speech 12 years ago and this one, but then his actions in between make no sense.

Dan McLaughlin ‏@baseballcrank 13h13 hours ago

Really amazing how much of Obama's speech is an implicit condemnation of the current president''s governing philosophy.

Benny ‏@bennyjohnson 13h13 hours ago

Obama 08: "This is the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow."
Obama 16: "Our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior."
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jon gabriel ‏@exjon 13h13 hours ago

Obama's best speeches are when he talks like a conservative.