US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[ChaimMoskowitz]

CM, they hate us for being in their countries. Have you forgotten that little fact ?

No.

[aygart]

So supporting something that someone hates doesn't bring more hate on yourself?

It may or may not.

Question for you. Are the christians in Europe hated less by the Arab countries?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Question for you. Are the christians in Europe hated less by the Arab countries?

I have no idea? Don't really follow Europe.

[elit]

Trump cuts signup period in half and eliminates most advertising for OB care. Millions still signup for it.
#fakenews - OB care is not popular.

as aygart pointed out.. this is the stupidest line of reasoning and the media all use it even though they know it's a complete fallacy.
I am on the exchange. I hate it. I pay over 10k for just me and my wife and I still basically have no insurance. but I have no choice.
don't tell me that ppl signing up for it is a sign of it's popularity. complete rubbish to put it mildly.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

as aygart pointed out.. this is the stupidest line of reasoning and the media all use it even though they know it's a complete fallacy.
I am on the exchange. I hate it. I pay over 10k for just me and my wife and I still basically have no insurance. but I have no choice.
don't tell me that ppl signing up for it is a sign of it's popularity. complete rubbish to put it mildly.

Why don't you just buy your own plan outright?

[aygart]

Why don't you just buy your own plan outright?

No difference. They are the same plans with the same rules which are creating poor coverage and high prices

[aygart]

I have no idea? Don't really follow Europe.

Maybe the terrorist attacks there can give you a clue. The first step in figuring out if spirit for Israel causes something is to check those who don't have this level of sort and see if things are different.

[elit]

Why don't you just buy your own plan outright?

why don't you just ask it first instead of playing these games?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

No difference. They are the same plans with the same rules which are creating poor coverage and high prices

You want me to find you a plan not involved with OB care?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

How can I ask you a question first when you made no comments on it? 

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Maybe the terrorist attacks there can give you a clue. The first step in figuring out if spirit for Israel causes something is to check those who don't have this level of sort and see if things are different.

OK I am missing something. In Europe the attacks are against Christians?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

My insurance plan through my employer costs me 6k. I hate it. 

If I bought this same plan out right it would be over 20k. So on the surface I say I hate it but deep down I am grateful for my employer saving me 14k.

[aygart]

OK I am missing something. In Europe the attacks are against Christians?

Maybe atheists.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Maybe atheists.

The reason I ask is because the attacks against us don't target Christians.

[avromie7]

My insurance plan through my employer costs me 6k. I hate it. 

If I bought this same plan out right it would be over 20k. So on the surface I say I hate it but deep down I am grateful for my employer saving me 14k.

How much was it 5 years ago? or 10 years ago?

[aygart]

My insurance plan through my employer costs me 6k. I hate it. 

If I bought this same plan out right it would be over 20k. So on the surface I say I hate it but deep down I am grateful for my employer saving me 14k.

Now think out of your little box about the people who are self-employed or do not have an employer paying for 75% of their insurance bill. Under Obamacare they have seen their coverage get worse and their premiums rise 15-25% per year. They may buy Obamacare plans because that is what they have available. That is what I had to do even though it was not through the exchange. That does not mean that they don't absolutely HATE Obamacare. Obamacare gave coverage to people who weren't interested in having it even for free until they were penalized at the expense of my coverage getting much worse and my premiums skyrocketing. Why would anyone in such a situation like Obamacare?

[aygart]

The reason I ask is because the attacks against us don't target Christians.

Sorry, Christians was a misnomer. I used it inaccurately to refer to Christian culture and non Arabs. I did not mean religious Christians.

[avromie7]

Now think out of your little box about the people who are self-employed or do not have an employer paying for 75% of their insurance bill. Under Obamacare they have seen their coverage get worse and their premiums rise 15-25% per year. They may buy Obamacare plans because that is what they have available. That is what I had to do even though it was not through the exchange. That does not mean that they don't absolutely HATE Obamacare. Obamacare gave coverage to people who weren't interested in having it even for free until they were penalized at the expense of my coverage getting much worse and my premiums skyrocketing. Why would anyone in such a situation like Obamacare?

Even employees have their premiums skyrocket.

[aygart]

Even employees have their premiums skyrocket.

True, but diluted significantly

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Now think out of your little box about the people who are self-employed or do not have an employer paying for 75% of their insurance bill. Under Obamacare they have seen their coverage get worse and their premiums rise 15-25% per year. They may buy Obamacare plans because that is what they have available. That is what I had to do even though it was not through the exchange. That does not mean that they don't absolutely HATE Obamacare. Obamacare gave coverage to people who weren't interested in having it even for free until they were penalized at the expense of my coverage getting much worse and my premiums skyrocketing. Why would anyone in such a situation like Obamacare?

Look I am not saying everyone loves. It has helped way more than it has hurt IMHO. 
All we need to do is change the name to Trump care and everyone here will love it.