US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[Baruch]

I'd fully understand if he says Jews behead people and Jews hate the free world. And I would fully understand if he would decide not to let in Jews from Israel. Sorry bro.

He said ISLAM hates America. With your parable would you mind if he said JUDIASM - not Jews - hates America. You would be frightened. If your gonna accuse me of watching the liberal media - which I don't. I may as well tell you to stop listening to Limbaugh and Hannity, and start thinking for yourself.

[Baruch]

I said the liberal/nevertrump distorted narative. That is most definitely happening. He very regularly said things along the lines of until we figure out what is going on. You are taking words out of context and giving them the worst possible interpretation. Maybe if you would actually try to figure out what he is reallly saying without swallowing the liberal/nevertrump narrative you would see that things are much different than you are making them to be. Will Trump be your ideal candidate-highly unlikely and he is not anywhere near being mine. Will you see that some of the things you have distorted to consider him disqualified actually mean something else and make sense-probably. You are being blinded by your hatred of his personality and I get where that is coming from, but be honest with yourself about what he is saying and you will see that you are misinterpreting much of it.

How is it out of context? He said Islam hates America. I don't listen to the liberal media. I hear Trump, and listen to what he says. You are a Limbaugh/Hannity low intelligence hack.

Trump loves you. "I love the poorly educated". And for good reason. You let the right wing spin fool you, that it's the "narrative". Are you a mental midget? No! So stop listening to mental midgets!

[Dan]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/the-democrats-who-cried-wolf/493928/

[aygart]

How is it out of context? He said Islam hates America. I don't listen to the liberal media. I hear Trump, and listen to what he says. You are a Limbaugh/Hannity low intelligence hack.

Trump loves you. "I love the poorly educated". And for good reason. You let the right wing spin fool you, that it's the "narrative". Are you a mental midget? No! So stop listening to mental midgets!

SO you think that what he said at the end that we don't know who is who is a contraction to what he said 30 seconds before and not an explanation? In the debate he said it even more clearly "A lot of them".

If you would actually read what I have written in this thread  instead of simply attacking  with your name calling anyone who expressed that they feel Trump is better than Hillary like you have done over and over maybe you would see that you are simply attacking the vision of your hallucinations and not me. I will let that vision try to answer your personal attacks against it bacause youe hallucinations are very disconnected with what I have written rioght here in this thread.

[aygart]

Love the Wiki JJ

[Baruch]

SO you think that what he said at the end that we don't know who is who is a contraction to what he said 30 seconds before and not an explanation? In the debate he said it even more clearly "A lot of them".

If you would actually read what I have written in this thread  instead of simply attacking  with your name calling anyone who expressed that they feel Trump is better than Hillary like you have done over and over maybe you would see that you are simply attacking the vision of your hallucinations and not me. I will let that vision try to answer your personal attacks against it bacause youe hallucinations are very disconnected with what I have written rioght here in this thread.

As your leader Trump says "you started first".
I only accuse you of being a Limbaugh/Hannity mental midget, because you always accuse me of swallowing the liberal "narrative".

You are actually the smartest Limbaugh/Hannity hack I talk to. The other ones truly believe Obama is a secret Muslim. (Please tell me you don't).


At least we both agree that HRC is a disaster.

(I frightened of  the possibility of HRC appointing Bill as Mideast peacemaker, but the thought of Donald Trump being in charge of our foreign policy is 100x more frightening)

[aygart]

As your leader Trump says "you started first".
I only accuse you of being a Limbaugh/Hannity mental midget, because you always accuse me of swallowing the liberal "narrative".

You are actually the smartest Limbaugh/Hannity hack I talk to. The other ones truly believe Obama is a secret Muslim. (Please tell me you don't).

I don't believe Obama is a Muslim. Nor do I listen to either Limbaugh (only on rare occasions) or Hannity ( I needed to think think for a second who that is) I have not really been a talk radio listener since the days of Bob Grant on WABC 25 years ago. I have a feeling that if you compared what I wrote here to what they are saying you will find it to be vastly different.

[Baruch]

Love the Wiki JJ

+1 

[CS1]

Love the Wiki JJ

+1
great wiki, JJ. Let's keep that one up, and title it "August". Then make a new one for Sept. and a new one for Oct in another 1-2 months. I think that there will be some 175-180 degree turnarounds, plus if Wikileaks comes out with new, illegal and damaging evidence, then there will be some serious shifting.

[skyguy918]

SO you think that what he said at the end that we don't know who is who is a contraction to what he said 30 seconds before and not an explanation? In the debate he said it even more clearly "A lot of them".

If you would actually read what I have written in this thread  instead of simply attacking  with your name calling anyone who expressed that they feel Trump is better than Hillary like you have done over and over maybe you would see that you are simply attacking the vision of your hallucinations and not me. I will let that vision try to answer your personal attacks against it bacause youe hallucinations are very disconnected with what I have written rioght here in this thread.

I'll just point out to you that your stated position of being anti-both, but ultimately pro-Trump because he's better than Hillary, is undermined by your passionate defense of every Trump 'infraction' and 'incident'. If you truly felt that way and were comfortable with your position, then the proper response to (at least) a significant portion of of these situations should be, you're right but he's still better than Hillary because XYZ.

[Baruch]

I'll just point out to you that your stated position of being anti-both, but ultimately pro-Trump because he's better than Hillary, is undermined by your passionate defense of every Trump 'infraction' and 'incident'. If you truly felt that way and were comfortable with your position, then the proper response to (at least) a significant portion of of these situations should be, you're right but he's still better than Hillary because XYZ.

couldn't have said it better.

[skyguy918]

couldn't have said it better.

I could probably say something similar about you (and Moshe123) the other way

The middle path evades us all. (that's actually a good slogan for this election campaign)

[Baruch]

I don't believe Obama is a Muslim. Nor do I listen to either Limbaugh (only on rare occasions) or Hannity ( I needed to think think for a second who that is) I have not really been a talk radio listener since the days of Bob Grant on WABC 25 years ago. I have a feeling that if you compared what I wrote here to what they are saying you will find it to be vastly different.

And I don't listen to the liberal media.
So now that we cleared that out of the way.........

[Baruch]

I could probably say something similar about you (and Moshe123) the other way

The middle path evades us all. (that's actually a good slogan for this election campaign)

Nah. Pick your poison is a better slogan.

[aygart]

And I don't listen to the liberal media.
So now that we cleared that out of the way.........

As I have said many times it their NARRATIVE that you are somehow picking up. Maybe it is your distaste for his personality or something else, but you are cherry piccking the worst possible view of him.

[skyguy918]

As I have said many times it their NARRATIVE that you are somehow picking up. Maybe it is your distaste for his personality or something else, but you are cherry piccking the worst possible view of him.

I can't tell you how condescending this is (and I'm not even the target). Even if the second sentence is true, it doesn't mean the first is. You decided that this specific opinion is their narrative - they own it - and have also disqualified it. And then as a result, anyone who shares that opinion, whether through media influence or through independent thought, is associated and disqualified as well. How convenient.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/the-democrats-who-cried-wolf/493928/

The phenomenon affects Trump supporters, too, in the form of voters who simply dismiss what they hear on the news because they’ve decided the press is untrustworthy.

[Baruch]

As I have said many times it their NARRATIVE that you are somehow picking up. Maybe it is your distaste for his personality or something else, but you are cherry piccking the worst possible view of him.

I believe Trump is a con artist. I've known that 10 years before he entered politics. So when you listen to a guy who you know to be a fraud, you cherry pick what he says to figure out what he really believes.

(Just as we both have known that HRC was a fraud since Bill's first term. BTW, her recent lie about the FBI director saying that she didn't lie to the American public, is a Trump level lie.)

[aygart]

I'll just point out to you that your stated position of being anti-both, but ultimately pro-Trump because he's better than Hillary, is undermined by your passionate defense of every Trump 'infraction' and 'incident'. If you truly felt that way and were comfortable with your position, then the proper response to (at least) a significant portion of of these situations should be, you're right but he's still better than Hillary because XYZ.

Look back at how many things I have declined to defend. I do think that he is not as bad as many are making him to be and that when you think through what he will or won't do or be able to do it is vastly different from what Moshe123 and Baruch are making it to be. A big portion of why he is not so dangerous is because he will not have the entire Washington infrastructure behind him like Hillary would. He won't even have his own party being pupppets behind him like Obama had and Hillary would.

[Baruch]

A big portion of why he is not so dangerous is because he will not have the entire Washington infrastructure behind him like Hillary would. He won't even have his own party being pupppets behind him like Obama had and Hillary would.

When it comes to foreign policy that is almost irrelevant.

[aygart]

I can't tell you how condescending this is (and I'm not even the target). Even if the second sentence is true, it doesn't mean the first is. You decided that this specific opinion is their narrative - they own it - and have also disqualified it. And then as a result, anyone who shares that opinion, whether through media influence or through independent thought, is associated and disqualified as well. How convenient.

I refer you to this post for reaasons why I think it is more swallowing the narrative than some others. Click on the link.

Are we all adults here? I have written 99% about very specific issues and reasons with one line saying that he is misinterpreting a specific item but I am only arguing by questioning biases? How about we go through your "very substantive" posts here and see how they have been.

BTW, I am not a "Trumper" I simply see him as the lesser of two evils and see that many like yourself are simply swallowing the opposing narrative hook line and sinker.
Very substantive one there.

These are just going back a few days.