Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3857597 times)

avromie7 · « **Reply #16940 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:13:15 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:01:47 PM

So you think acting like bully to everyone that disagrees with him has no real effect on this country? If he gets us in a war with NK and millions die because of his personal traits would that change your mind?

1) that's a different trait than we were discussing until now.
2) I think he's a lot more effective in dealing with rouge regimes than his predecessors, and sometimes the answer is war. Trying to avoid an all out war thereby allowing our enemies access to WMD is dumb policy.

Yammer · « **Reply #16941 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:15:25 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 11:45:22 AM

What if BO had the same personal traits as Trump? It still wouldn't matter to you? How about Jimmy Carter?

When ppl oppose a presidents policy they will always point to his character traits as a flaw, while the supporters will give excuses.

Until the flaw/action is of a magnitude that can no longer be excused.

Enter the world of Trump

Trump has been a rule breaker ever since he started his campaign. while some flaws/ actions would have definitely have buried his predecessors, he has touched a nerve with many ppl that feel he's standing up to something way bigger then his job. He's standing up to the untouchable ( Media/Govt corruption/FBI corruption etc.)

Additionally he never claimed ( of course he did but everyone knew who he was ) that he's a gentleman. The opposite. He ran on ripping up uh... everything.

I believe that this is the reason why he won't be challenged on his moral flaws.

ETA:

I may not have emphasized on his international way of dealing but it's in the same context

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16942 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:23:25 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on January 23, 2018, 01:15:25 PM

When ppl oppose a presidents policy they will always point to his character traits as a flaw, while the supporters will give excuses.

Until the flaw/action is of a magnitude that can no longer be excused.

Enter the world of Trump

Trump has been a rule breaker ever since he started his campaign. while some flaws/ actions would have definitely have buried his predecessors, he has touched a nerve with many ppl that feel he's standing up to something way bigger then his job. He's standing up to the untouchable ( Media/Govt corruption/FBI corruption etc.)

Additionally he never claimed ( of course he did but everyone knew who he was ) that he's a gentleman. The opposite. He ran on ripping up uh... everything.

I believe that this is the reason why he won't be challenged on his moral flaws.

ETA:

I may not have emphasized on his international way of dealing but it's in the same context

This is what is so crazy. Most here including me complain about the direction this country is going (before Trump). Included in that is morality. If you don't speak out against the disgusting morals of the leader of the country what right do you have to complain?

avromie7 · « **Reply #16943 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:27:11 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:23:25 PM

This is what is so crazy. Most here including me complain about the direction this country is going. Included in that is morality. If you don't speak out against the disgusting morals of the leader of the country what right do you have to complain?

If was immoral in public, or his policy was immoral, it would be a big issue. Until that happens, we can look the other way when it comes to his behavior in private.

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #16944 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:29:28 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:23:25 PM

Most here including me complain about the direction this country is goin

What part, that the unemployment rate is going down, or that the DOW is at 26k, or maybe the lowered tax rates?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16945 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:29:53 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on January 23, 2018, 01:27:11 PM

If was immoral in public, or his policy was immoral, it would be a big issue. Until that happens, we can look the other way when it comes to his behavior in private.

His comments about women and behavior towards them as just one example have been public.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16946 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:30:26 PM »

Quote from: davidrotts63 on January 23, 2018, 01:29:28 PM

What part, that the unemployment rate is going down, or that the DOW is at 26k, or maybe the lowered tax rates?

You posted after edit. Maybe you are going to excuse his behavior because you have more money in your pocket but I wasn't raised that way. I am willing to bet you weren't either.

aygart · « **Reply #16947 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:31:14 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:01:47 PM

So you think acting like bully to everyone that disagrees with him has no real effect on this country? If he gets us in a war with NK and millions die because of his personal traits would that change your mind?

How will millions die because of his womanizing?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16948 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:33:15 PM »

Quote from: aygart on January 23, 2018, 01:31:14 PM

How will millions die because of his womanizing?

WOW talk about spinning things!!! Reading comprehension 101.

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #16949 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:34:36 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:33:15 PM

WOW talk about spinning things!!! Reading comprehension 101.

No writing comprehension 101, we spoke about womanizing, why the need to twist to bullying?

aygart · « **Reply #16950 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:34:46 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:03:00 PM

So he can be charged with OOJ but Trump can't (if the evidence supports it)?

You are repeating the same straw man as last night. you are sounding like her.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16951 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:37:41 PM »

Quote from: davidrotts63 on January 23, 2018, 01:34:36 PM

No writing comprehension 101, we spoke about womanizing, why the need to twist to bullying?

We spoke about a hundred different things. If you can't put the two sentences together in that same post then you need reading 101 also.

Yammer · « **Reply #16952 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:39:09 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:23:25 PM

This is what is so crazy. Most here including me complain about the direction this country is going (before Trump). Included in that is morality. If you don't speak out against the disgusting morals of the leader of the country what right do you have to complain?

Correct.

Gullible's aside I believe that that is the opinion of most people. ( including republicans in Congress ).

You need a person with Truckloads of Chutzpah to to that, unfortunately ppl with that amount of Chutzpah use it inappropriately as well.

Quote from: avromie7 on January 23, 2018, 01:27:11 PM

If was immoral in public, or his policy was immoral, it would be a big issue. Until that happens, we can look the other way when it comes to his behavior in private.

Clinton's immorality wasn't done in public either. Anything that a President does becomes public.

Quote from: davidrotts63 on January 23, 2018, 01:29:28 PM

What part, that the unemployment rate is going down, or that the DOW is at 26k, or maybe the lowered tax rates?

Impeach trump and Pence will do the same. Trump symbolizes something else.

aygart · « **Reply #16953 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:40:02 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:37:41 PM

We spoke about a hundred different things. If you can't put the two sentences together in that same post then you need reading 101 also.

The entire conversation you were having today was about his womanizing. Where did bullying come in? It wasn't mentioned at all.

Becoming a stable genius?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16954 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:40:21 PM »

Quote from: aygart on January 23, 2018, 01:34:46 PM

You are repeating the same straw man as last night.

The fact of the matter is the president can be charged with OOJ. You can debate how, when and where all you want but that doesn't change the fact.

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #16955 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:40:28 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:37:41 PM

We spoke about a hundred different things. If you can't put the two sentences together in that same post then you need reading 101 also.

We spoke about womanizing, and @avromie7 said that personal details shouldn't make a difference, to which you brought in bullying.
Who said that bullying would be categorized the same.
(

for the emoji vibe.)

aygart · « **Reply #16956 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:41:09 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 01:40:21 PM

The fact of the matter is the president can be charged with OOJ. You can debate how, when and where all you want but that doesn't change the fact.

Who said otherwise? That is why it is a straw man argument.

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #16957 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:43:43 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on January 23, 2018, 01:39:09 PM

Impeach trump and Pence will do the same. Trump symbolizes something else.

What are you saying??
Because Stalin was an animal, does that make Hitler not one??
Why does one's capabilities, or lack there of effect another's?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16958 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:44:12 PM »

Quote from: davidrotts63 on January 23, 2018, 01:40:28 PM

We spoke about womanizing, and @avromie7 said that personal details shouldn't make a difference, to which you brought in bullying.
Who said that bullying would be categorized the same.
(for the emoji vibe.)

So bullying is not a personal detail. If you say personal details don't matter you would think you are talking about all personal details, no?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #16959 on:** January 23, 2018, 01:45:26 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on January 23, 2018, 01:39:09 PM

Impeach trump and Pence will do the same. Trump symbolizes something else.

Then we can talk about policies since he seems like a stand up guy.

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