US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

https://www.facebook.com/will.estrada.31/posts/10153841720390922

[aygart]

[ExGingi]

Right, that's the only reason I might vote for Hillary

It's about losing your country for crying out loud, not about losing the flanken out of your cholent!

[cholent]

It's about losing your country for crying out loud, not about losing the flanken out of your cholent!

I care too much to help put a president in the white house who can't control himself at all, and who will be the worst possible role model for the country
And of course you would say that, you of the vegetarian cholent

[good sam]

McClatchy/Marist poll , 8/1 - 8/3, Clinton 15% lead.
Clinton - 48. Trump - 33. I repeat: thirty freaken three.

(I knew America wasn't crazy)

Lol. Look at the makeup of the sample.

https://www.scribd.com/document/320225575/McClatchy-Marist-Poll-National-Nature-of-the-Sample-and-Tables-August-2016

[ExGingi]

I care too much to help put a president in the white house who can't control himself at all, and who will be the worst possible role model for the country
And of course you would say that, you of the vegetarian cholent

A pareve cholent is a pragmatic solution.

You really think Trump would be my first, or second choice? He wouldn't even have made it into the top 5 out of the R primary contenders (off the top of my head, can't even remember who was there). But with what we have, I think I would vote for him.

I couldn't get myself to vote for RINO McCain, and I have since come to the conclusion that it's a total waste of time for a New Yorker to vote in the general election. So I don't have to decide this time around. But if I were to be registered to vote in a battleground state, I wouldn't rely on my own feelings or judgment, but would rather ask a Rov or Mashpia I trust and act accordingly.

[aygart]

Right, that's the only reason I might vote for Hillary

https://medium.com/@munilass/is-hillary-clinton-corrupt-an-archive-of-financial-improprieties-5d6efc01111#.v47tndnfk
What permanent damage do you think Trump may do that Hillary won't?

[aygart]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxpdj6vKrOAhXJRiYKHcxWAgEQqQIIHzAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fthe-week-they-decided-he-was-crazy-1470354031&usg=AFQjCNGwCRg2idjnQwcuK8hjyUoHroUoGg
Peggy Noonan

I end with a new word, at least new to me. A friend called it to my attention. It speaks of the moment we’re in. It is “kakistocracy,” from the Greek. It means government by the worst persons, by the least qualified or most unprincipled. We’re on our way there, aren’t we? We’re going to have to make our way through it together.

[zale]

I couldn't get myself to vote for RINO McCain, and I have since come to the conclusion that it's a total waste of time for a New Yorker to vote in the general election. So I don't have to decide this time around. But if I were to be registered to vote in a battleground state, I wouldn't rely on my own feelings or judgment, but would rather ask a Rov or Mashpia I trust and act accordingly.

If the Republicans had a better nominee, I would say that in this election there would be a chance for the Republicans to carry NY. I don't think there has been a weaker candidate on the Democratic side since George McGovern. Hillary is literally despised by half of the Democratic electorate.

Now that I think about it, the RNC should have done exactly what the DNC did. Choose a the candidate with the best chance of winning and help them secure the nomination.

[Shauly101]

I care too much to help put a president in the white house who can't control himself at all, and who will be the worst possible role model for the country
And of course you would say that, you of the vegetarian cholent

thats why he will move into the WH with Melania

[justaregularguy]

if only we could swap Pence and Trumps positions here we could breath alot better( although it would be hilarious to see Trump as a sidekick-something he obviously wouldn't feel comfortable with )

[ExGingi]

thats why he will move into the WH with Melania

ALOL

Melania actually taking the role of a model rather than being a role model.

Though with the Clintons the roles are reversed, with Bill taking the role of a model...

[aygart]

I care too much to help put a president in the white house who can't control himself at all, and who will be the worst possible role model for the country
And of course you would say that, you of the vegetarian cholent

Sounds like you feel Bill and Hill were great role models last time around.

[ExGingi]

Can you bring examples of HRC admitting mistakes like Trump did on the Iran cash plane video (not that the story didn't occur, but that the video he saw isn't the video of the actual act).

[aygart]

Guys, did you hear Trump talking about the "video" of the plane going into Iran with the cash?
"nice plane".

I mean, he is at best dumb, and at worst a schizophrenic. Can we all agree now?'

Here's a video

So confusing which plane he saw is worse than hallucinating sniper shots on the ground in Bosnia. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[cholent]

Sounds like you feel Bill and Hill were great role models last time around.

No I don't. But I'm picking my poison here, and trump is worse. And that includes the way that the Clintons are poor role models, only more extreme

[Dan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-and-the-fitness-threshold/2016/08/04/b06bae34-5a69-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

"Why did Trump do it? It wasn’t a mistake. It was a revelation. It’s that he can’t help himself. His governing rule in life is to strike back when attacked, disrespected or even slighted. To understand Trump, you have to grasp the General Theory: He judges every action, every pronouncement, every person by a single criterion — whether or not it/he is “nice” to Trump."


"The dynamic of this election is obvious. As in 1980, the status quo candidate for a failed administration is running against an outsider. The stay-the-course candidate plays his/her only available card — charging that the outsider is dangerously out of the mainstream and temperamentally unfit to command the nation.

In 1980, Reagan had to do just one thing: pass the threshold test for acceptability. He won that election because he did, especially in the debate with Jimmy Carter in which Reagan showed himself to be genial, self-assured and, above all, nonthreatening. You may not like all his policies, but you could safely entrust the nation to him.

Trump badly needs to pass that threshold. If character is destiny, he won’t."

[good sam]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-and-the-fitness-threshold/2016/08/04/b06bae34-5a69-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

"Why did Trump do it? It wasn’t a mistake. It was a revelation. It’s that he can’t help himself. His governing rule in life is to strike back when attacked, disrespected or even slighted. To understand Trump, you have to grasp the General Theory: He judges every action, every pronouncement, every person by a single criterion — whether or not it/he is “nice” to Trump."


"The dynamic of this election is obvious. As in 1980, the status quo candidate for a failed administration is running against an outsider. The stay-the-course candidate plays his/her only available card — charging that the outsider is dangerously out of the mainstream and temperamentally unfit to command the nation.

In 1980, Reagan had to do just one thing: pass the threshold test for acceptability. He won that election because he did, especially in the debate with Jimmy Carter in which Reagan showed himself to be genial, self-assured and, above all, nonthreatening. You may not like all his policies, but you could safely entrust the nation to him.

Trump badly needs to pass that threshold. If character is destiny, he won’t."

Trump is not Reagan, but 2016 is not 1980.

[Dan]

Same thing applies. All Trump had to do was pivot and make himself acceptable to people like me who want to be able to vote for him.
But the revelation here is that he really can't help himself and thinking he can change for the presidency is foolish.

[aygart]

Same thing applies. All Trump had to do was pivot and make himself acceptable to people like me who want to be able to vote for him.
But the revelation here is that he really can't help himself and thinking he can change for the presidency is foolish.

Agreed, but what happened these last two weeks is not as much that it was crazy, it was much more benign than many other things he has said or done, but more the amplification it received as the full fledged nominee with the MSM biased against him as well as confirmation bias from his previous actions. That the MSM focused on his statement about the Kahns over Hillary's outright lies about the emails is a choice made by the MSM not Trump. On the other hand this is an opportunity he handed them on a silver platter.

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/hillary-clinton-fox-email-interview-liz-spayd-public-editor/

Hillary Clinton, in a rare interview on Fox News last Sunday, claimed that the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey Jr., had called her statements about her private email servers “truthful” and said she has been consistent with the American people in her accounts about the controversy. As it turns out, Clinton’s contentions in the interview were misleading, bordering on false. 
If you’re getting all your political news from The New York Times, this may be the first time you’re hearing this. Clinton’s remarks were covered by several major news organizations, several of which pointedly challenged the Democratic nominee’s candor. But nothing on the interview ever appeared in The Times, either online or in print.