Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3848873 times)

skyguy918 · « **Reply #18440 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:15:49 AM »

Quote from: aygart on February 14, 2018, 11:09:41 AM

So you are now a proponent of unskewing polls? You know how that turned out for Romney?

I'm not a proponent of anything, except maybe math. The first number is made up of the other 3, so there must be some funky weighing going on to get to even. That's all.

ilherman · « **Reply #18441 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:20:01 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 13, 2018, 06:39:16 PM

There is this narrative that everyone at the FBI leadership was out to get Trump. The facts show the FBI actions helped Trump win the election. Who wants to try and spin this?

You, Maddow.

The facts are that it was about to be leaked to the media therefore the FBI had no choice but to release it. The fact is they knew about theis a full month before they actually released it to the public. They were hoping not to release it but it came to a point where they would shoot themselves in the foot by not releasing it. These are the facts. Why are you repeating Maddows nonsense?

aygart · « **Reply #18442 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:21:46 AM »

Quote from: skyguy918 on February 14, 2018, 11:15:49 AM

I'm not a proponent of anything, except maybe math. The first number is made up of the other 3, so there must be some funky weighing going on to get to even. That's all.

It is not so complicated. Here are the exact underlying numbers.

skyguy918 · « **Reply #18443 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:24:52 AM »

Quote from: aygart on February 14, 2018, 11:21:46 AM

It is not so complicated. Here are the exact underlying numbers.

Who said anything about complicated? Everything you posted after my initial comment backed up my initial comment. Not sure why you're making a whole thing out of it.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18444 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:32:27 AM »

Quote from: ilherman on February 14, 2018, 11:20:01 AM

The facts are that it was about to be leaked to the media therefore the FBI had no choice but to release it. The fact is they knew about theis a full month before they actually released it to the public. They were hoping not to release it but it came to a point where they would shoot themselves in the foot by not releasing it. These are the facts.

Are you hallucinating? We are talking about the dossier. You make Hannity sound sensible. The FBI had it and didn't release it to hurt Trump. Those are the #REALFACTS

Is Hannity talking about the 130K Trumps lawyer now admits he paid to the porn star to cover up the affair? You called it #fakenews. I guess you are going to ignore this just like the "secret society". How times are you going to open your mouth and look foolish?

aygart · « **Reply #18445 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:36:02 AM »

Quote from: skyguy918 on February 14, 2018, 11:24:52 AM

Who said anything about complicated? Everything you posted after my initial comment backed up my initial comment. Not sure why you're making a whole thing out of it.

The theory behind these polls is that self identification is fluid and a result of the other choices not a cause. Either way there are slightly mor Rs than Ds but not enough to account for these differences. Either you adjust for the weightings no matter which direction they go or you don't. How do you react when someone says that a poll is skewed to the Dems?

ilherman · « **Reply #18446 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:39:55 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 14, 2018, 11:32:27 AM

Are you hallucinating? We are talking about the dossier. You make Hannity sound sensible. The FBI had it and didn't release it to hurt Trump. Those are the #REALFACTS

Is Hannity talking about the 130K Trumps lawyer now admits he paid to the porn star to cover up the affair? You called it #fakenews. I guess you are going to ignore this just like the "secret society". How times are you going to open your mouth and look foolish?

Ah I thought you are talking about reopening the investigation. Didn't think you are even trying to talk about the dossier. But let me understand. You are saying that the FBI did not release the unverified dossier to the public so they deserve a kiss in the cheek? That means they didn't try to destroy Trump? You are telling me you really believe what you are saying? You are worse than Maddow. I mean FBI doing this would mean suicide for the FBI. They would never do that. They only did it secretly. For example using it for the FISa court which they thought would never come out. Come on. Id rather listen to Maddows stuff which make a drop sense than your nonsense.

skyguy918 · « **Reply #18447 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:43:04 AM »

Quote from: aygart on February 14, 2018, 11:36:02 AM

The theory behind these polls is that self identification is fluid and a result of the other choices not a cause. Either way there are slightly mor Rs than Ds but not enough to account for these differences. Either you adjust for the weightings no matter which direction they go or you don't. How do you react when someone says that a poll is skewed to the Dems?

I try not to pay too much attention to them (polls) in the first place.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18448 on:** February 14, 2018, 11:50:08 AM »

Quote from: ilherman on February 14, 2018, 11:39:55 AM

Ah I thought you are talking about reopening the investigation. Didn't think you are even trying to talk about the dossier. But let me understand. You are saying that the FBI did not release the unverified dossier to the public so they deserve a kiss in the cheek? That means they didn't try to destroy Trump? You are telling me you really believe what you are saying? You are worse than Maddow. I mean FBI doing this would mean suicide for the FBI. They would never do that. They only did it secretly. For example using it for the FISa court which they thought would never come out. Come on. Id rather listen to Maddows stuff which make a drop sense than your nonsense.

Your logic is laughable. No matter how many times you repeat the Hannity nonsense it will not fly. You are the one who watches Hannity and believes this nutcase. Leave your isolated community for a day and live in the real world and learn the truth!!!

I see you didn't address his lawyer getting caught and the secret society. Both leaving egg on the face of you and NUTCASE Hannity.

It is so sad you support such a despicable person. Makes me wonder what your views toward women are, NOT!!!

ilherman · « **Reply #18449 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:06:31 PM »

15 lines and the response to my argument was that I didn't address your fake news question.

But I am not you so ill address your fake news. The fake news was spinning it the whole time as Trump paid her off. This is still fake news.

But please respond to my simple post about the FBI. Only maddow thinks she can fool her listeners by not addressing facts.

Oh and my views on women is that the US constitution says everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I know I am not politically correct. But i'd rather not be politically correct and be constitutional correct.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18450 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:14:55 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on February 14, 2018, 12:06:31 PM

But I am not you so ill address your fake news. The fake news was spinning it the whole time as Trump paid her off. This is still fake news.

You are past gullible. You believe the lawyer paid for Trumps sexual encounters out of his own pocket? Even @henche doesn't believe that.

When you support someone that constantly defends abusers of women speaks volumes. I know deep down you are disgusted by his behavior but until you speak out you are an enabler.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18451 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:18:49 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on February 14, 2018, 12:06:31 PM

But please respond to my simple post about the FBI. Only maddow thinks she can fool her listeners by not addressing facts.

What is your question about the FBI? That they had dirt on Trump and didn't use it. Or they released they were still investigating the emails right before the election and hurt HRC. This logic by you and NUTCASE Hannity shows they were in the tank for HRC. This is to funny!!!

shapsam · « **Reply #18452 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:22:05 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 14, 2018, 12:18:49 PM

What is your question about the FBI? That they had dirt on Trump and didn't use it. Or they released they were still investigating the emails right before the election and hurt HRC. This logic by you and NUTCASE Hannity shows they were in the tank for HRC. This is to funny!!!

So you wanted them to release bad info on Trump? that would be corrupt. As @ilherman said, the HRC stuff was gonna leak to the media so they had no choice.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18453 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:26:04 PM »

Quote from: shapsam on February 14, 2018, 12:22:05 PM

So you wanted them to release bad info on Trump? that would be corrupt. As @ilherman said, the HRC stuff was gonna leak to the media so they had no choice.

You have no idea if the info was going to be leaked. For that to happen it would mean the FBI was for Trump.

No I don't want the FBI to release any info on either candidate. Just used it as an example to show this whole NUTCASE Hannity conspiracy theory is crazy!!! The actions of the FBI favored Trump in the election. That is the fact!!!

ilherman · « **Reply #18454 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:35:27 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 14, 2018, 12:26:04 PM

You have no idea if the info was going to be leaked. For that to happen it would mean the FBI was for Trump.

No I don't want the FBI to release any info on either candidate. Just used it as an example to show this whole NUTCASE Hannity conspiracy theory is crazy!!! The actions of the FBI favored Trump in the election. That is the fact!!!

Again and again you are proving to be just a troll. You are saying that because the FBI did not ~~release the dossier~~ commit suicide, that means they were helping trump.

And the facts that they used the dossier for the fisa court without saying that Clinton paid for it, and the fact that they were waiting a month before they said that the email investigation is back open, means nothing. Oh and Hannity is a nutcase, by predicting a year ago that this is what is gonna play out. I am done with you. YOu either are a troll or have no hope.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18455 on:** February 14, 2018, 12:42:12 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on February 14, 2018, 12:35:27 PM

And the facts that they used the dossier for the fisa court without saying that Clinton paid for it, and the fact that they were waiting a month before they said that the email investigation is back open, means nothing. Oh and Hannity is a nutcase, by predicting a year ago that this is what is gonna play out. I am done with you. YOu either are a troll or have no hope.

I am glad you are done with me. Now spend your free time justifying to your self how you can constantly defend such a despicable person.

What in the world does the FISA BS have to with influencing the election. Nobody new about any FISA BS during the election so it had ZERO effect. The fact is the FBI actions during the election helped Trump. You wont address this fact. NUTCASE Hannity doesn't even have an answer so I don't expect his sheep to have one.