Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3847305 times)

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20740 on:** May 31, 2018, 12:46:03 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on May 31, 2018, 12:35:47 PM

In my opinion, the President has to put US first, then important allies, and enemies last.
The Iran deal was a terrible deal for the US and even worse for an important ally.

You feel Israel is a more important ally than the whole EU?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20741 on:** May 31, 2018, 12:51:54 PM »

Talking about abuse of power. This guy is a lose cannon.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-considering-clemency-for-blagojevich-stewart/ar-AAy49PG?ocid=ientp

yuneeq · « **Reply #20742 on:** May 31, 2018, 12:56:20 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 12:46:03 PM

You feel Israel is a more important ally than the whole EU?

It's not a zero sum game.
Both the EU and Israel can be satisfied.
You don't need negotiate and capitulate to terrorists unless you are either a fool, anti-semite, or both like in BO's case.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20743 on:** May 31, 2018, 01:05:00 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on May 31, 2018, 12:56:20 PM

It's not a zero sum game.
Both the EU and Israel can be satisfied.

You avoided the question, why?
The EU is way more important to the US. The problem with Israel is they can never help us in the ME due to no fault of their own.

aygart · « **Reply #20744 on:** May 31, 2018, 01:15:46 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 01:05:00 PM

You avoided the question, why?
The EU is way more important to the US. The problem with Israel is they can never help us in the ME due to no fault of their own.

My understanding is that their behind the scenes help is often of more value than the some known help by others (hosting bases excluded)

yuneeq · « **Reply #20745 on:** May 31, 2018, 01:16:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 01:05:00 PM

You avoided the question, why?
The EU is way more important to the US.

The answer was implied.
They are both important, EU (if you view it as one entity) is definitely more important than Israel.

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The problem with Israel is they can never help us in the ME due to no fault of their own.

Israel helps the US by stabilizing a region where the US wants to have influence.

springles · « **Reply #20746 on:** May 31, 2018, 01:18:50 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 10:58:08 AM

That's fair. Are you basing this on just this one comment or on all comments that he has made in the past that many think were racist?

I am responding to this specific incident to which he did not address the racism at all.

aygart · « **Reply #20747 on:** May 31, 2018, 01:27:08 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 12:51:54 PM

Talking about abuse of power. This guy is a lose cannon.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-considering-clemency-for-blagojevich-stewart/ar-AAy49PG?ocid=ientp

Would anyone be shocked to eventually find out that he is in early Alzheimer's?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20748 on:** May 31, 2018, 01:35:19 PM »

Quote from: aygart on May 31, 2018, 01:27:08 PM

Would anyone be shocked to eventually find out that he is in early Alzheimer's?

No but either scenario is bad for the US.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20749 on:** May 31, 2018, 02:00:29 PM »

...and let the trade war begin. No not with China but with Canada.
I guess you all expect me to jump on Trump for this.

hvaces42 · « **Reply #20750 on:** May 31, 2018, 02:00:46 PM »

Quote from: aygart on May 31, 2018, 01:27:08 PM

Would anyone be shocked to eventually find out that he is in early Alzheimer's?

Reagan had it so he wont be the first.

Yammer · « **Reply #20751 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:05:07 PM »

Quote from: springles on May 31, 2018, 10:54:36 AM

It definitely tells you something about the person, it just doesnt necessarily tell you that the person agrees with the comment. There are other reasons that a person wouldnt condemn a comment even if they themselves dont agree with it. Maybe they dont want to alienate their supporters. Maybe they are stubborn narcissists that cant admit fault even with people that are associated with them. These are not great qualities but it still doesnt mean that the person agrees with the comments made.
Bottom line: I agree with you that Trump should have come out against the comments of Roseanne. I disagree with you that remaining silent is an exhibition of agreement with the racist comments.

+100

Quote from: Yammer on May 30, 2018, 02:02:47 PM

Because he's an egoist that doesn't admit being wrong about anything. The Mcain comment along with this is his personal fight , In his mind its a war against him and continues to do the same thing over and over.

And the Duke story ( which I consider x100 worse then Roseanne because always he is/was a a Nazi, and while she tweeted something horrible she was never considered a racist beforehand) is the same story.

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 10:58:08 AM

That's fair. Are you basing this on just this one comment or on all comments that he has made in the past that many think were racist?

It's all the same.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20752 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:13:13 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on May 31, 2018, 03:05:07 PM

And the Duke story ( which I consider x100 worse then Roseanne because always he is/was a a Nazi, and while she tweeted something horrible she was never considered a racist beforehand) is the same story.

She was never considered a racist. That's like saying Trump was never considered a racist.
Lets not hold this 2013 tweet against her when said former National Security Advisor Susan Rice was a “big man with swinging ape balls”. Seems she keeps equating black women with apes. But remember this is who Trump said "is one of us".

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20753 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:15:49 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on May 31, 2018, 03:05:07 PM

And the Duke story ( which I consider x100 worse then Roseanne because always he is/was a a Nazi, and while she tweeted something horrible she was never considered a racist beforehand) is the same story.

Not sure why you are so hard on Duke. Trump said there are some good Nazi's. Duke seems to be one of them.

Yammer · « **Reply #20754 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:17:46 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 12:32:16 PM

This points to he is anti-Semitic?
I forgot your view that if you don't agree with Israel that makes you an anti-Semitic. Put me down as an anti-Semitic then by your definition since I put the US first!!!

Wow that puts you in agreement with Trump's America First policy...

And Trump manages to do both in one shot...he must be more talented then Obama..

But in all seriousness the US wants/needs Israel for a variety of reasons. The question is how can Israel continue to thrive and survive as country. Many ppl ( stating facts not my opinion ) that certain concessions will do ireversable damage to the country.

Obama being a pacifist rather then an aggregator was willing to push Israel to concessions to pacify the Arabs.

Yammer · « **Reply #20755 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:22:41 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 03:13:13 PM

She was never considered a racist. That's like saying Trump was never considered a racist.
Lets not hold this 2013 tweet against her when said former National Security Advisor Susan Rice was a “big man with swinging ape balls”. Seems she keeps equating black women with apes. But remember this is who Trump said "is one of us".

How can you compare someone that never said racist things and tweeted 1 thing racist, claiming she didn't know that she was black ( which may or may not be true ) to a known individual that spews the most horrific comments.

( Know nothing about the Susan rice tweet )

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 03:15:49 PM

Not sure why you are so hard on Duke. Trump said there are some good Nazi's. Duke seems to be one of them.

No comment nessesary

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20756 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:41:47 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on May 31, 2018, 03:22:41 PM

( Know nothing about the Susan rice tweet )

Kind of important when talking about if someone was considered a racist before this tweet, no?
I mean you wouldn't call her an anti-Semite for dressing up as Hitler and pulling burnt cookies (in the form of humans) out of an oven, would you?

Yammer · « **Reply #20757 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:50:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 03:41:47 PM

Kind of important when talking about if someone was considered a racist before this tweet, no?
I mean you wouldn't call her an anti-Semite for dressing up as Hitler and pulling burnt cookies (in the form of humans) out of an oven, would you?

1) I didn't have time to read the news today. But from I saw yesterday, nobody was saying that she is a racist, just that the tweet was. And no I'm not defending her, just distinguishing between the two.

And yes I see a real difference.

And yes even your nauseating comparison is a big difference between a known Nazi and someone that thought it was a joke. ( I by far find it to be a terrible, and horrible thing )

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20758 on:** May 31, 2018, 03:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Yammer on May 31, 2018, 03:50:58 PM

1) I didn't have time to read the news today. But from I saw yesterday, nobody was saying that she is a racist, just that the tweet was. And no I'm not defending her, just distinguishing between the two.

And yes I see a real difference.

And yes even your nauseating comparison is a big difference between a known Nazi and someone that thought it was a joke. ( I by far find it to be a terrible, and horrible thing )

People hide behind so called jokes all the time. Please explain to me how in the world is saying a black women is an ape can be a joke.
The issue is I get how deplorable Duke is. I don't think you get how deplorable she is.

Are you aware she did this?

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 03:41:47 PM

I mean you wouldn't call her an anti-Semite for dressing up as Hitler and pulling burnt cookies (in the form of humans) out of an oven, would you?

aygart · « **Reply #20759 on:** May 31, 2018, 04:11:20 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 31, 2018, 03:58:37 PM

People hide behind so called jokes all the time. Please explain to me how in the world is saying a black women is an ape can be a joke.
The issue is I get how deplorable Duke is. I don't think you get how deplorable she is.

Are you aware she did this?

I for one never heard of her until the last couple of weeks.

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