Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3863651 times)

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21720 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:05:27 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:00:50 PM

They most definitely lean Trump ~~conservative~~.

More accurate.

aygart · « **Reply #21721 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:09:21 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:05:27 PM

More accurate.

As much as Trump is not a real conservative in many ways, the two have to do with each other. The facts are that leaning conservative will make you lean towards the Trump agenda as well as against the Lib meltdown over him.

How do you differentiate between the two?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21722 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:31:16 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:09:21 PM

As much as Trump is not a real conservative in many ways, the two have to do with each other. The facts are that leaning conservative will make you lean towards the Trump agenda as well as against the Lib meltdown over him.

How do you differentiate between the two?

Fight terrorism, Trump ban Muslims.
Secure the border, Trump seperate mothers from their clidren.
I can go on but no need to.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21723 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:33:55 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 11:43:59 AM

You are correct that I don't fully get unions, but I do see their detrimental effect regarding energy efficiency projects all the time. I do realize that there are positive effects which they have which may be very important and i am not realizing. I do understand some of the importance of unions but can't imagine that I understand the full picture.

When a union is elected you feel everyone should not have to pay dues? Should those that don't pay dues benefit from the unions work?

aygart · « **Reply #21724 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:34:35 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:31:16 PM

Fight terrorism, Trump ban Muslims.
Secure the border, Trump seperate mothers from their clidren.
I can go on but no need to.

If those are your standards then I am not a Trumpster at all. When Trump during the campaign was talking about banning Muslims I was against it. The final EO was not a Muslim ban as SCOTUS ruled (YOUR goalposts!)

I am against separating children and have said that many times.

aygart · « **Reply #21725 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:37:48 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:33:55 PM

When a union is elected you feel everyone should not have to pay dues? Should those that don't pay dues benefit from the unions work?

No the contract negotiated by the unions should not be binding in the employers relation with non members. I do understand that union issues are complex and have heard storng points from both sides.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21726 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:43:16 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:34:35 PM

The final EO was not a Muslim ban as SCOTUS ruled (YOUR goalposts!)

You should get your facts straight. They never ruled that.
SCOTUS ruled if Trump said I am going to create an EO that will ban Muslims that means nothing. As long as he didn't say that in the EO he is covered.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21727 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:44:12 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:37:48 PM

No the contract negotiated by the unions should not be binding in the employers relation with non members. I do understand that union issues are complex and have heard storng points from both sides.

So are you going to speak out against these SCABS?

aygart · « **Reply #21728 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:47:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:44:12 PM

So are you going to speak out against these SCABS?

Aren't those people crossing the picket line?

aygart · « **Reply #21729 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:49:31 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:43:16 PM

You should get your facts straight. They never ruled that.
SCOTUS ruled if Trump said I am going to create an EO that will ban Muslims that means nothing. As long as he didn't say that in the EO he is covered.

They ruled that since the EO was not in and of itself a Muslim ban the prior rhetoric does not disqualify it. It needs that first step for the separation from his rhetoric to make a difference.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21730 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:51:18 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:47:58 PM

Aren't those people crossing the picket line?

They are talking benefits they didn't pay for. Would calling them freeloaders be better? You going to speak out against them?
You going to speak out about unions being required to defend these SCABS/freeloaders when they get in trouble?

aygart · « **Reply #21731 on:** June 28, 2018, 12:58:34 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:51:18 PM

They are talking benefits they didn't pay for. Would calling them freeloaders be better? You going to speak out against them?
You going to speak out about unions being required to defend these SCABS/freeloaders when they get in trouble?

Speak out? Where should I speak out? They should not get the benefits and the unions should not be required to defend them! Just like they should not be coerced into joining the union the union should not be coerced to do things for them!

Part of the controversy would be solved if the unions kept out of politics.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21732 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:49:31 PM

They ruled that since the EO was not in and of itself a Muslim ban the prior rhetoric does not disqualify it. It needs that first step for the separation from his rhetoric to make a difference.

Like I said unless Trump says I am banning Muslim's in the EO there is nothing they can do. They will not consider anything he said or done outside the EO.

Boruch999 · « **Reply #21733 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:07:57 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 12:31:16 PM

Fight terrorism, Trump ban Muslims.
Secure the border, Trump seperate mothers from their clidren.
I can go on but no need to.

How do you propose ICE secure the border when people jumping the border have children with them?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21734 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:10:27 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 28, 2018, 12:58:34 PM

Just like they should not be coerced into joining the union the union should not be coerced to do things for them!

The union was voted in. Everyone should have to abide by the union rules. Isn't that what a democracy is about?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21735 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:13:10 PM »

Quote from: Boruch999 on June 28, 2018, 01:07:57 PM

How do you propose ICE secure the border when people jumping the border have children with them?

You don't separate mothers from their children for a misdemeanor. If congress can't find a way to secure the border without separating mothers from their children then need to get a new job.

aygart · « **Reply #21736 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:18:09 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 01:07:09 PM

Like I said unless Trump says I am banning Muslim's in the EO there is nothing they can do. They will not consider anything he said or done outside the EO.

Exactly. But the order itself was not a Muslim ban. Had it been one they would not have needed to consider his prior rhetoric.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #21737 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:19:22 PM »

Jim Jordon is a 100% political hack. Now I know why he is always on Hannity.

aygart · « **Reply #21738 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:19:22 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 01:10:27 PM

The union was voted in. Everyone should have to abide by the union rules. Isn't that what a democracy is about?

Not in this country where the constitution guarantees individual rights. Maybe in the Democratic socialist Republic of.....

aygart · « **Reply #21739 on:** June 28, 2018, 01:20:31 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 28, 2018, 01:13:10 PM

You don't separate mothers from their children for a misdemeanor. If congress can't find a way to secure the border without separating mothers from their children then need to get a new job.

What if a large portion of Congress doesn't want to secure the border at all?

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