US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I agree. I was just writing what I think was the explanation of what he wrote.

All you need to do is to use common sense. You think a good employee would file frivolous grievances? When he does have one filed on his behalf what would you expect the success rate to be?

The biggest benefit to the bad employees is many chances before being fired.

[aygart]

You assumed I made that connection.

No. You made the connection without any assumptions. Can you provide an alternate way of understanding what you wrote?

Then the worker will find a boss who will treat him better. The employees most protected by unions are bad employees who don't do their work well, and should be fired but union regulations protect them from being fired. Good employees will find good jobs under an employer who is willing to pay them well and treat them well, instead we're all stuck paying the extra costs for employees who don't do their job well.

Now your racist views are showing again.

What does racism have to do with this discussion?

Who our all these bad employees that don't do their job? Fireman, police, teachers, hotel workers, postal employees?

Please explain to me why thousands of APWU grievances are won every year against USPS. Once you understand that you will understand why unions are needed more than ever.

Is this supposed to explain what this has to do with racism? Because I still don't see how.

The first question that wasn't answered. As with Trump it is not based on one statement.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, if someone else can explain it I would greatly appreciate it.

You claimed the unions are protecting these lazy workers that can't do their jobs. Who are these individuals you are talking about?

[avromie7]

100% BS and shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. The majority of grievances won are for excellent employees. Management tries and screw everyone.

Without the union, the good employees wouldn't be dragged down by management trying to screw the bad employees, and if management tries to screw the good employees, then they will go find a new employer who will treat them better. (I am NOT saying that good employees never get screwed, and I am not saying unions NEVER protect good employees, what I am saying is that if we stopped trying to tell the the market what to do, people would be paid and treated based on how well they do their job, and the market will fix any issues that good employees have)

[ChaimMoskowitz]

No. You made the connection without any assumptions. Can you provide an alternate way of understanding what you wrote?

You have no way of knowing what my connection is. Based on many connections you made on other subjects it is nothing more than assumptions.

I still waiting for my answer of who these people are.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Without the union, the good employees wouldn't be dragged down by management trying to screw the bad employees, and if management tries to screw the good employees, then they will go find a new employer who will treat them better. (I am NOT saying that good employees never get screwed, and I am not saying unions NEVER protect good employees, what I am saying is that if we stopped trying to tell the the market what to do, people would be paid and treated based on how well they do their job, and the market will fix any issues that good employees have)

You can repeat the BS over and over all you want. History has proven you wrong over and over!!!

[avromie7]

I still waiting for my answer of who these people are.

There are bad employees in every industry.

[avromie7]

You can repeat the BS over and over all you want. History has proven you wrong over and over!!!

Do you believe we should ban sweat shops in third world countries?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

There are bad employees in every industry.

So you want to do away with unions because there is bad employees in every industry?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Do you believe we should ban sweat shops in third world countries?

Yes.
sweatshop: A shop or factory in which employees work long hours at low wages under poor conditions.

[aygart]

You have no way of knowing what my connection is. Based on many connections you made on other subjects it is nothing more than assumptions.

I still waiting for my answer of who these people are.

If you have an alternate explanation then feel free to present it. When you need to come onto your vague other subjects stupidity we know that the problem is you and not the one you are talking about.

[skyguy918]

Without the union, the good employees wouldn't be dragged down by management trying to screw the bad employees, and if management tries to screw the good employees, then they will go find a new employer who will treat them better. (I am NOT saying that good employees never get screwed, and I am not saying unions NEVER protect good employees, what I am saying is that if we stopped trying to tell the the market what to do, people would be paid and treated based on how well they do their job, and the market will fix any issues that good employees have)

This is pure trash. History disagrees with your assertions.

[avromie7]

So you want to do away with unions because there is bad employees in every industry?

What I'm saying is that I feel unions are doing a bigger disservice than they are helping, by helping the bad employees at the expense of good employees, and causing everyone to pay more for everything to subsidize the bad employees.

Yes.
sweatshop: A shop or factory in which employees work long hours at low wages under poor conditions.

I would disagree, and allow sweatshops to exist, not because I think they're a good place to work, but because the people who work there have 2 bad options either work in the tough conditions for little pay, or have not work there and starve. Every single person working there feels that working there is the lesser of the 2 evils, and you want to take away their better option. (I know it's the better option because that's the one they chose.

[avromie7]

This is pure trash. History disagrees with your assertions.

Please be more specific, what in history disagrees with which assertion?

[aygart]

What I'm saying is that I feel unions are doing a bigger disservice than they are helping, by helping the bad employees at the expense of good employees, and causing everyone to pay more for everything to subsidize the bad employees. I would disagree, and allow sweatshops to exist, not because I think they're a good place to work, but because the people who work there have 2 bad options either work in the tough conditions for little pay, or have not work there and starve. Every single person working there feels that working there is the lesser of the 2 evils, and you want to take away their better option. (I know it's the better option because that's the one they chose.

What do you think an American clothing company would do if they were prohibited for importing clothing from sweatshops?

[skyguy918]

Please be more specific, what in history disagrees with which assertion?

The fact that before unions, things didn't play out as described in your utopian, pure efficient market vision. Maybe point to one time/place where your vision was a reality.

[avromie7]

What do you think an American clothing company would do if they were prohibited for importing clothing from sweatshops?

Make them in more developed countries?
 Make them locally with more automation?

[avromie7]

The fact that before unions, things didn't play out as described in your utopian, pure efficient market vision. Maybe point to one time/place where your vision was a reality.

It doesn't happen overnight.

 https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweatshops-make-poor-people-better-off

And even the most noble-seeming campaigns can backfire. UNICEF argues that early 1990s campaigns to reduce child labour in Bangladesh’s formal economy led to children looking for income in much worse places: stone-crushing, street hustling, and prostitution.

[skyguy918]

It doesn't happen overnight.

 https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweatshops-make-poor-people-better-off

What doesn't happen overnight? Unions is a relatively new thing, and still largely doesn't exist in many countries. That should be enough of a pool for you to find one time/place where workers were largely better off than they are now due to the influence of unions.

And I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that link.

[avromie7]

What doesn't happen overnight? Unions is a relatively new thing, and still largely doesn't exist in many countries. That should be enough of a pool for you to find one time/place where workers were largely better off than they are now due to the influence of unions.

And I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that link.

My point with the link is that the free market helps the poor better than government involvement.

[skyguy918]

My point with the link is that the free market helps the poor better than government involvement.

Unions don't constitute government involvement.