Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3840395 times)

ExGingi · « **Reply #2200 on:** August 24, 2016, 01:42:20 PM »

Quote from: Dan on August 24, 2016, 01:27:54 PM

A FB friend's status:

I think we can all agree 1000% about the middle paragraph.

Dan · « **Reply #2201 on:** August 24, 2016, 01:43:53 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on August 24, 2016, 01:42:20 PM

I think we can all agree 1000% about the middle paragraph.

99% ought to agree with the first 2 paragraphs.

cholent · « **Reply #2202 on:** August 24, 2016, 01:49:26 PM »

Quote from: Dan on August 24, 2016, 01:43:53 PM

99% ought to agree with the first 2 paragraphs.

This

ExGingi · « **Reply #2203 on:** August 24, 2016, 02:10:30 PM »

Quote from: Dan on August 24, 2016, 01:43:53 PM

99% ought to agree with the first 2 paragraphs.

There are just a few problems with the first paragraph which I think would bring the number much lower than 99%.

1. Many people don't hate-post.
2. Many people are not Republicans (myself included, I am a registered Democrat for practical reasons, but have ZERO affinity for any party).
3. Can't feel deprived of a political voice when you don't live in a swing state, you don't have one to begin with.

And lastly: 4. How can one feel "betrayed by him and his supporters"? What were you ever expecting or promised by him or his supporters for which you could feel betrayed?

Dan · « **Reply #2204 on:** August 24, 2016, 02:14:20 PM »

1. If they're conservative they ought to.
2. Talking about those who are conservative.
3. So move.
4. The party stands for something and he's making a reality TV show out of it. That's a betrayal of party values.

Matovu · « **Reply #2205 on:** August 24, 2016, 02:32:28 PM »

Hillary the politician hardly lied.

I know the bar is low for ALL politicians out there. They all speak out of both sides of her mouth.

But with HER, you have the 3 or 4 Pinocchio's and some half true promises, (some regrets and i'm sorries that's refreshing in it itself) and that's that. Pretty good test results, compared to the rest of the breed called lawmaker.
She's by far the most honest one ever to run for office.

Don't ask me, I'm biased for her. Read up.

ExGingi · « **Reply #2206 on:** August 24, 2016, 02:49:49 PM »

Quote from: Dan on August 24, 2016, 02:14:20 PM

1. If they're conservative they ought to.
2. Talking about those who are conservative.
3. So move.
4. The party stands for something and he's making a reality TV show out of it. That's a betrayal of party values.

1. Ought to hate-post?

?? Since when is that something out of the conservative book of values?
2. Just addressing the fact of why I don't think 99% can agree with the paragraph, simply speaking it said "as a Republican", but I'll concede this one to you and not get overly technical.
3. http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65388.msg1541769#msg1541769, but on a more serious note, there's a lot more to life than political voice....
4. The party stands for what?

This is politics, one of the dirtiest games in town. The only thing political parties stand for is אנא אמלוך!

ExGingi · « **Reply #2207 on:** August 24, 2016, 02:52:13 PM »

Quote from: Matovu on August 24, 2016, 02:32:28 PM

Don't ask me, I'm biased for her. Read up.

We are well aware of your bias, though (at least some of us) can't figure out the reason. Was anyone pardoned by Bill? Anything received in exchange for a donation?

elit · « **Reply #2208 on:** August 24, 2016, 05:47:46 PM »

Quote from: Matovu on August 24, 2016, 02:32:28 PM

Hillary the politician hardly lied.

You must be trolling

Baruch · « **Reply #2209 on:** August 24, 2016, 06:10:45 PM »

Quote from: Matovu on August 24, 2016, 02:32:28 PM

Hillary the politician hardly lied.

I know the bar is low for ALL politicians out there. They all speak out of both sides of her mouth.

But with HER, you have the 3 or 4 Pinocchio's and some half true promises, (some regrets and i'm sorries that's refreshing in it itself) and that's that. Pretty good test results, compared to the rest of the breed called lawmaker.
She's by far the most honest one ever to run for office.

Don't ask me, I'm biased for her. Read up.

I've read up. She's corrupt to the core.

Matovu · « **Reply #2210 on:** August 24, 2016, 07:14:55 PM »

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #2211 on:** August 24, 2016, 07:45:31 PM »

Quote from: Matovu on August 24, 2016, 07:14:55 PM

Lies

I've seen that graphic a bunch of times, but it just says they graded more than "50 statements" without saying how they picked those 50.

Might they have cherry picked statements to have avoided lies by some?

Are broken promises like Obama's "you'll get to keep your doctor" included?

If Trump lied before running for office, was that counted?

elit · « **Reply #2212 on:** August 24, 2016, 08:09:29 PM »

Quote from: Matovu on August 24, 2016, 07:14:55 PM

Lies

Must be really non partisan...

ExGingi · « **Reply #2213 on:** August 24, 2016, 09:25:16 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on August 24, 2016, 07:45:31 PM

Are broken promises like Obama's "you'll get to keep your doctor" included?

How in the world could that count? That was a material and international lie (I.e. At the time HE made that statement HE KNEW it to be 100% false, and his lie had a material effect on the passing of the law).

Contrast that with "Fact Checks" which mainly review statements about past occurrences (Aka מלתא דעבידא לאגלויי) and are likely to be immaterial in and of themselves. THOSE are real lies!

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #2214 on:** August 24, 2016, 09:29:00 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on August 24, 2016, 09:25:16 PM

How in the world could that count? That was a material and international lie (I.e. At the time HE made that statement HE KNEW it to be 100% false, and his lie had a material effect on the passing of the law).

Contrast that with "Fact Checks" which mainly review statements about past occurrences (Aka מלתא דעבידא לאגלויי) and are likely to be immaterial in and of themselves. THOSE are real lies!

I was calling it a lie.

ExGingi · « **Reply #2215 on:** August 24, 2016, 09:31:05 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on August 24, 2016, 09:29:00 PM

I was calling it a lie.

To quote DJT (non verbatim): SARCASM alert!

I would love to hear what our dear friend Matovu has to say about the "You can keep your plan/doctor" lie...