US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

You bring up tough on policy then bring up the pipeline. Trump has nothing to do with the pipeline and is just shooting his mouth off like someone else. 

Trump is either tough on Putin or he isn't. You can't compare him to anyone else unless you decide first if that person was tough or weak on Putin. I fully understand your but officer the other guy was going faster BS. That is the reason you are Mr Washing Mmachine!!! 

So tell me a policy. Whatever anyone brings you will twist into a pretzel. Just because you choose one wrong goalpost on one thing and then everything else you twist around doesn't make you into goalposts.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

So tell me a policy. Whatever anyone brings you will twist into a pretzel. Just because you choose one wrong goalpost on one thing and then everything else you twist around doesn't make you into goalposts.

You brought up the pipeline as policy. I am not twisting anything. How in the world does the pipeline have anything to do with policy? This happened a long time ago before he was in office. He has no control over it and only brought it up to embarrass Germany.

[aygart]

You brought up the pipeline as policy. I am not twisting anything. How in the world does the pipeline have anything to do with policy? This happened a long time ago before he was in office. He has no control over it and only brought it up to embarrass Germany.

I listed other and linked to more. Twist twist twist...

Do you have anything real or just talk? How many policies are more favorable to Russia and how many less favorable?
You tell me IO am drinking the kool-aid yet you seem to be unable to find ANYTHING where he has been less strict while there is plenty where he has been more strict. "he wa sgoing faster" blah blah blah. Tell me something you feel he should have done against Russia which he did not.

[skyguy918]

I listed other and linked to more. Twist twist twist...

Do you have anything real or just talk? How many policies are more favorable to Russia and how many less favorable?
You tell me IO am drinking the kool-aid yet you seem to be unable to find ANYTHING where he has been less strict while there is plenty where he has been more strict. "he wa sgoing faster" blah blah blah. Tell me something you feel he should have done against Russia which he did not.

Deal with the election meddling?

[aygart]

Deal with the election meddling?

How would you like him to deal with it? Sanctions? Check. Cyber security? Check

[skyguy918]

How would you like him to deal with it? Sanctions? Check. Cyber security? Check

Don't be ridiculous. He doesn't acknowledge that it happened, how can he have dealt with it?

[aygart]

Don't be ridiculous. He doesn't acknowledge that it happened, how can he have dealt with it?

You are expecting consistency from him?

[skyguy918]

You are expecting consistency from him?

You are ascribing things to him that happened despite him. Hence cm's kicking and screaming comment.

[aygart]

You are ascribing things to him that happened despite him. Hence cm's kicking and screaming comment.

Yet all by people he appointed and who he keeps appointing. Either you give him credit for the policies of his administration or you don't blame him for them when they are bad.

[skyguy918]

Yet all by people he appointed and who he keeps appointing. Either you give him credit for the policies of his administration or you don't blame him for them when they are bad.

No need to live in black and white. If this admin does something 'bad' and Trump applauds it, and then in another instance does something 'good' and he condemns it, I'm not gonna just ignore his comments in favor of the actions of the admin. Most people are capable of taking in the whole picture.

[aygart]

No need to live in black and white. If this admin does something 'bad' and Trump applauds it, and then in another instance does something 'good' and he condemns it, I'm not gonna just ignore his comments in favor of the actions of the admin. Most people are capable of taking in the whole picture.

I agree and therefore said yuck about the presser. I wrote how it is complicated since on the other hand the actions of his administration have not been favorable to Russia but was told that I am drinking the kool aid about that. I did not support the way he was talking in the slightest. Just the opposite, I am disgusted by it.

[Yammer]

Yes Sztruk is biased. Is that clear enough? Please don't put goalpost in the same sentence as a washing machine. 

Nice. Screenshot taken..

Anyone here wants to Defend Trump today?

I guess this is it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-hosts-bash-trump’s-‘disgusting’-putin-presser/ar-AAAaz4Q?ocid=spartanntp

Correct

Now you are starting to sound like Pelosi.

There is a much bigger question. Why is he tough on Putin in policy and outwardly makes nice. Even in the presser Putin is the one who mentioned some of the items Trump pressed him about and not Trump. It is only because Putin mentioned it that we know that Trump told him that the US views the annexation of Crimea as illegitimate. At least he didn't say he looked into Putin's soul or that he will have more flexibility later on.

Tough on Putin on policy? What Kool-Aid are you drinking? Every advisor has to hammer him constantly to do anything. He wanted Russia back in the G7?

+1

How would you like him to deal with it? Sanctions? Check. Cyber security? Check

Those are action's that his agencies have taken. And he hasn't prioritized any of those things

Deal with the election meddling?

+1000000

I agree and therefore said yuck about the presser. I wrote how it is complicated since on the other hand the actions of his administration have not been favorable to Russia but was told that I am drinking the kool aid about that. I did not support the way he was talking in the slightest. Just the opposite, I am disgusted by it.

His refusal to be"tough" on Putin is definitely a mystery... He has no problem saying the most negative things about our Allies (which may deserve some criticism, and I get it, it's Trump style), but won't utter a bad word about Putin/Russia??

While he has done some actions as you mentioned above, he hasn't taken a real stance against Russia for (almost) anything. His biggest platform Twitter, that he has repeatedly used against everyone that he has a problem with has yet to see anything hitting on Russia/Putin.

[aygart]

Nice. Screenshot taken..



Correct



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Those are action's that his agencies have taken. And he hasn't prioritized any of those things

+1000000

His refusal to be"tough" on Putin is definitely a mystery... He has no problem saying the most negative things about our Allies (which may deserve some criticism, and I get it, it's Trump style), but won't utter a bad word about Putin/Russia??

While he has done some actions as you mentioned above, he hasn't taken a real stance against Russia for (almost) anything. His biggest platform Twitter, that he has repeatedly used against everyone that he has a problem with has yet to see anything hitting on Russia/Putin.

I don't think it is a mystery at all. In his mind it is all about Trump and he is incapable of separating meddling from collusion and dems claims of a stolen election. Both he and many others view everything as being all about Trump.

This is a common pattern of his to rhetorically cuddle up to enemies while tightening the screws on them and to blast allies while helping them.

BTW with a little searching you will find much more that he has done to hurt Russian interests regarding energy, Syria and more.

[Yammer]

I don't think it is a mystery at all. In his mind it is all about Trump and he is incapable of separating meddling from collusion and dems claims of a stolen election. Both he and many others view everything as being all about Trump.

I personally believe that the reason for the election refusal is his ego. And that he believes that by validating the Russian hacks he's conceeding that the election wasn't won % legit.

That alone is headscratcher...what exactly can't he differentiate?

[aygart]

I personally believe that the reason for the election refusal is his ego. And that he believes that by validating the Russian hacks he's conceeding that the election wasn't won % legit.

That alone is headscratcher...what exactly can't he differentiate?

That is more or less what I wrote. Why is it hard for him? He's Trump! Ben Shapiro likes to say he couldn't collude with his left foot.

[Yammer]

That is more or less what I wrote. Why is it hard for him? He's Trump! Ben Shapiro likes to say he couldn't collude with his left foot.

1. I disagree that he has done anything against Russia. All the above are what his agencies have don't (with the exception of expelling diplomats ).

Putin simply takes the air out of him...

2. Him? Agreed. As of now there has been no indication of him meeting with the Russians period. But there has been findings of Individuals for his campaign meeting with them. However there's 0 evidence that there was collision.

[aygart]

1. I disagree that he has done anything against Russia. All the above are what his agencies have don't (with the exception of expelling diplomats ).

Putin simply takes the air out of him...

2. Him? Agreed. As of now there has been no indication of him meeting with the Russians period. But there has been findings of Individuals for his campaign meeting with them. However there's 0 evidence that there was collision.

Yet all by people he appointed and who he keeps appointing. Either you give him credit for the policies of his administration or you don't blame him for them when they are bad.

And you need to look better. I agree he has been weak on election meddling but in general his administration has been tough on them on energy, military aid, Syria and more open your eyes.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I listed other and linked to more. Twist twist twist...

Lets start with this one since it is most recent. Where do we see him having been pressured to oppose the pipeline?

You are the one who wanted to start with the pipeline. So please stop with your BS.
The pipeline has nothing to do with policy. As I stated it is just his BS to try and embarressed Germany. You for reason are trying to say that Trump is tough on Putin because of his pipeline policy. That is 100% laughable.

[Yammer]

And you need to look better. I agree he has been weak on election meddling but in general his administration has been tough on them on energy, military aid, Syria and more open your eyes.

1. Energy - has nothing to do with Russia it's a self reliance view.( If you mean the pipeline episode then it was a PR move against Germany not Russia)

2/3. Military aid/Syria - agreed, ( but I believe it's more his ego, war grandstanding)

[aygart]

1. Energy - has nothing to do with Russia it's a self reliance view.( If you mean the pipeline episode then it was a PR move against Germany not Russia)

2/3. Military aid/Syria - agreed, ( but I believe it's more his ego, war grandstanding)

I don't only mean the pipeline.