US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[yuneeq]

you are correct she's been +7.9, but it was very short. She's now +6, so it's a very small gain.

Yes that's what I said, a small trend towards Trump.

[Matovu]

People don't forget so quickly.

He's all over the news on his somersaults on immigration in the past few days.

Nothing on Drudge so the faithful really have no clue.

[aygart]

That the AP's report that half her meetings with non governmental...... were Foundation donors did not seem to shock anyone says more than the report itself.

[Baruch]

Yes that's what I said, a small trend towards Trump.

yep. I agree with you

[Baruch]

That the AP's report that half her meetings with non governmental...... were Foundation donors did not seem to shock anyone says more than the report itself.

Are you still denying that Trump is flip flopping on immigration?

[aygart]

Are you still denying that Trump is flip flopping on immigration?

Still? when did I ever deny such a thing?

[Baruch]

Can you explain what is happening with his immigration policy witout quoting MSM?

[aygart]

How is that a denial?

[Baruch]

How is that a denial?

What were you implying?

Youre not worth my time. You don't know how to have an honest discussion.

[aygart]

What were you implying?

Youre not worth my time. You don't know how to have an honest discussion.

Can you explain what is happening with his immigration policy witout quoting MSM? If yes, how does it differ from the very typical general election softening of positions from the primary?

I didn't say there was or wasn't, but you still have not explained any pivot at all.

I was very clear from the get go that I was not denying a softening. You still haven't been able to answer those 2 questions.

"You say Trump lied to get some votes in the primaries? Snore. They all lied. He just did it better."

[Baruch]

I was very clear from the get go that I was not denying a softening. You still haven't been able to answer those 2 questions.

"You say Trump lied to get some votes in the primaries? Snore. They all lied. He just did it better."

I answered those questions, it's his signature issue, you can't flip flop on your signature issue. And his surrogates stopped answering the deportation questions. (and now he is saying it as straight out as a neurotic liar can say something straight out)

 I'm done with you. Your like all Trump surrogates, it's like talking to a wall.
 
To quote your leader "dumb like a rock".

[Dan]

I'm done with you. Your like all Trump surrogates, it's like talking to a wall.

The Shillary surrogates are any different? If there's a real scandal that's Wikileaked do you think they'll care?

[Baruch]

The Shillary surrogates are any different? If there's a real scandal that's Wikileaked do you think they'll care?

They are not different. But at least they're talented at it. Trump's surrogates you literally can't talk to, it's a new level. It's as if words have no meaning. And I honestly feel like that lately when talking to aygart. It frustrates me. And I don't like to be frustrated. Nothing personal.

[aygart]

I'm done with you. Your like all Trump surrogates, it's like talking to a wall.

To quote your leader "dumb like a rock".

I am not the one who fell for it you are. I never had a hava amina that he would round them all up. Think about the difference between you and what you are hallucinating me to be. Your statements about Trump fit the worst pictures in your hallucinations only the other direction. I never said that Trump is a conservative. I never said he is an honest likeable person. I never even said that I thought he would be a good president. During the primaries I wrote this:

(date above is wrong)
Over this week a came up with the first semi-rational reason I was able to think of for why someone would vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the establishment or anything of the sort. This country is being overrun by a cancer call political correctness. The PC police make people scared to say anything because it may offend someone. We have seen people destroyed simply due to a political opinion that some groups called discriminatory. People feel that Trump is the chemotherapy for this cancer. He may end up being a horrible president, but no one ever saidchemo is pleasant. His bad p[olicies can be reversed by future presidents but if we lost our freedom of expression we lost our country.

    ETA: I personally would probably support Cruz, but I finally came up with some reason why someone would vote for Trump.

What I am seeing is that you are constantly painting every little thing he does in the absolute worst possible way even when it is clear that it is not what he meant or that it is very typical political posturing. This is to the extent that you could be a surrogate for Bill Krystol. That may be why you are getting so frustrated. You cannot deal with anyone even saying that Trump is not as bad as the antis are making him to be. I am sure that there are times that I went too far in my defense of Trump or attacks on Hillary. Anyone who is honest with themselves will realize that they can do that. You seem to be unable. As such you are imagining me to have certain opinions and are then arguing with your hallucinations and blaming it on me.

[yuneeq]

I answered those questions, it's his signature issue, you can't flip flop on your signature issue.

Trump should follow the Obama playbook.
Don't flipflop on your signature issues, just lie about them.

"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan"
"We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care. Families will save on their premiums."
"My administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government."
"If we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do.  I will get our troops home, we will end this war.  You can take that to the bank."

Trump is a real n00b.

[ExGingi]

Trump should follow the Obama playbook.
Don't flipflop on your signature issues, just lie about them.

Trump is a real n00b.

My initial reaction was to say that the Rs should all follow that playbook. But I immediately realized that doesn't make sense, there would be no difference between them.

If the American public chooses to elect people that will lie to enact bad legislation, while the writing was on the wall in bold letters saying that this can't work the way promised, then all we can say is that our "form of government is the one that we deserve".

Now DJT was never a conservative, so for him to follow BHO's playbook, makes perfect sense (though it would go against his grain, as he is incapable of keeping his cool and lying blatantly while keeping a straight face like BHO).

[aygart]

Trump should follow the Obama playbook.
Don't flipflop on your signature issues, just lie about them.

"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan"
"We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care. Families will save on their premiums."
"My administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government."
"If we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do.  I will get our troops home, we will end this war.  You can take that to the bank."

Trump is a real n00b.

that can be done to get legislation passed or the like. What trump is doing is the regular hardline for primaries and soften in the general. What lie should he have said? That he won't deport them? He wouldn't have won the primaries. That he will? That he needs to soften. The difference isn't between what he says and what happens but between what he says and what he says.

[JTZ]

They are not different. But at least they're talented at it. Trump's surrogates you literally can't talk to, it's a new level. It's as if words have no meaning.

I just spit out my drink this is so funny. This comes from the masters of it depends what the definition of is "is". Someone needs a reality check.

[ExGingi]

I just spit out my drink this is so funny. This comes from the masters of it depends what the definition of is "is". Someone needs a reality check.

The big difference is the expression on their face and the body language.

[JTZ]

The big difference is the expression on their face and the body language.

I will leave that one alone.