Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3832338 times)

zale · « **Reply #280 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:42:18 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 19, 2015, 06:12:45 PM

Actually you danced around my question. You claim he makes good points so I will ask you again. Did he make a good point by saying McCain is not a war hero and then saying he is a war hero only because he was captured.

I just watched the interview again and I am not sure which part of your question I did not answer.

As for his saying that "I like people that weren't captured", he explained that he also likes people that weren't captured.

As for his saying that "he is not a war hero", he right away said "maybe he is a war hero, but only because he was captured". His first statement was clarified by the second statement, and the second statement was clarified in a later interview by the above-mentioned clarification of also...

I also clearly stated that I believe he made a poor choice of words. He wanted to take a shot at McCain and chose the wrong words. I believe him when he explained what he meant, because Trump is not Michael Moore who hates soldiers and veterans.

itsyehuda · « **Reply #281 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:42:50 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 19, 2015, 07:40:43 PM

On Sunday, Florida Senator Marco Rubio said on CNN's State of the Union that he agrees with fellow Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry, an Air Force veteran who said Saturday that Trump's comments make him unfit to serve as commander-in- chief.

"This is not just an insult to John McCain, who clearly is a war hero and a great man, but it's an insult to all POWs, to all men and women who have served us in uniform, who have been captured in battle," Rubio said. "And this somehow makes the assumption that somehow, if you are captured in battle you're less worthy of honors than someone who isn't. It's not just absurd. It's offensive. It's ridiculous, and I do think it is a disqualifier as commander-in-chief."

This dropped Rubio by about six spots in my rankings.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #282 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:44:53 PM »

The lengths that some people will go to rationalize the fact that they're rallying behind a clown...

Matovu · « **Reply #283 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:45:21 PM »

Oh please let him be the republican nominee.
Let's watch this clown be the king of the clown party.
Please

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #284 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:45:45 PM »

Quote from: zale on July 19, 2015, 07:42:18 PM

I also clearly stated that I believe he made a poor choice of words. He wanted to take a shot at McCain and chose the wrong words. I believe him when he explained what he meant, because Trump is not Michael Moore who hates soldiers and veterans.

He hates people that disagree with him and is a bully that likes to get his way.

I posted the interview so everyone can watch it and draw their own conclusions instead of me paraphrasing what I think he said.

itsyehuda · « **Reply #285 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:48:13 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 19, 2015, 07:41:27 PM

That was a very long way to answer no...

Hah. I'm not bothered by the bombast and theatricality though.

I'm waiting to see how he performs on key conservative issues.

zale · « **Reply #286 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:50:53 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 19, 2015, 07:23:45 PM

Hello?? What don't you guys get? The reason McCain didn't apologize for calling supporters of the Donald carzies is because he (together with the majority of Americans and even the majority of Republicans) stand behind that statement. Is Trump the only one who is allowed to "speak his mind"?

McCain, a politician who was voted in by the people and for the people, may take a shot at Trump, but he may not take a shot at the thousands of people who support him. Only a fascist does that. It is absolutely disgusting for a politician to call a civilian "crazy" because they support a particular candidate.

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single elected official who spoke negatively about voter's personal choices, despite the smut that was flying both ways during the last two elections.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #287 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:51:15 PM »

Quote from: Matovu on July 19, 2015, 07:45:21 PM

Oh please let him be the republican nominee.
Let's watch this clown be the king of the clown party.
Please

That's all fine and well, as long as you don't want to see a Republican in the white house...

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #288 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:55:37 PM »

Quote from: zale on July 19, 2015, 07:50:53 PM

McCain, a politician who was voted in by the people and for the people, may take a shot at Trump, but he may not take a shot at the thousands of people who support him. Only a fascist does that. It is absolutely disgusting for a politician to call a civilian "crazy" because they support a particular candidate.

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single elected official who spoke negatively about voter's personal choices, despite the smut that was flying both ways during the last two elections.

So the only reason it was OK for Trump to call millions of civilians murderers and rapists is because they don't vote? Crazies is way milder IMHO...

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #289 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:59:22 PM »

Do Trump's daughter converted to Judaism? I know she isn't ultra orthodox or even modox. So what is she?

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #290 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:02:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 19, 2015, 07:59:22 PM

Do Trump's daughter converted to Judaism? I know she isn't ultra orthodox or even modox. So what is she?

You really want this thread to pop don't you

grodnoking · « **Reply #291 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:04:36 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 19, 2015, 07:59:22 PM

Do Trump's daughter converted to Judaism? I know she isn't ultra orthodox or even modox. So what is she?

Modern yeshivish? Modox lakewood style?

zale · « **Reply #292 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:09:12 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 19, 2015, 07:55:37 PM

So the only reason it was OK for Trump to call millions of civilians murderers and rapists is because they don't vote? Crazies is way milder IMHO...

You do understand that many of the people at the Phoenix rally likely voted McCain for senate. Do you have any idea what it means to call the people who voted for you "crazies"?

Even in the very remote chance that not a single person at the rally voted for him, he is, after all the senator of Arizona. He is the representative of ALL the people of Arizona.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #293 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:12:22 PM »

Quote from: zale on July 19, 2015, 08:09:12 PM

You do understand that many of the people at the Phoenix rally likely voted McCain for senate. Do you have any idea what it means to call the people who voted for you "crazies"?

Even in the very remote chance that not a single person at the rally voted for him, he is, after all the senator of Arizona. He is the representative of ALL the people of Arizona.

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 19, 2015, 07:55:37 PM

So the only reason it was OK for Trump to call millions of civilians murderers and rapists is because they don't vote? Crazies is way milder IMHO...

zale · « **Reply #294 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:15:46 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 19, 2015, 07:44:53 PM

The lengths that some people will go to rationalize the fact that they're rallying behind a clown...

I have stated upthread that I believe him to be a satirical candidate. He is, however, bringing issues out in the open that the media have (most likely intentionally) ignored. Everyone is suddenly thinking about the impact of illegal immigration and how our borders are unsecured. There is suddenly an open conversation about American trade policies which most people had no clue about. I hope he brings many more issues out in the open before is inevitable leave.

Super Speed · « **Reply #295 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:17:57 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 19, 2015, 07:05:30 PM

Here we go again with all this other stuff to confuse the issue. This isn't about McCain. My comment was directed at a member who feels Trump makes good points. All I asked was a simple question if saying McCain is not a war hero was making a good point.

Definitely. McCain is not a war hero. I'm happy he served our country but a hero more than other soldiers, he's not.

Aj3042 · « **Reply #296 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:22:36 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on July 19, 2015, 07:45:45 PM

He hates people that disagree with him and is a bully that likes to get his way.

I posted the interview so everyone can watch it and draw their own conclusions instead of me paraphrasing what I think he said.

It's unfortunate that in today's society someone who sticks to his guns (regardless of his position) is called a "bully". In this case it's simply a way of discrediting the man while ignoring the message.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #297 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:28:11 PM »

Quote from: Aj3042 on July 19, 2015, 08:22:36 PM

It's unfortunate that in today's society someone who sticks to his guns (regardless of his position) is called a "bully". In this case it's simply a way of discrediting the man while ignoring the message.

Have you even seen Trump's twitter feed?

Aj3042 · « **Reply #298 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:29:08 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on July 19, 2015, 07:55:37 PM

So the only reason it was OK for Trump to call millions of civilians murderers and rapists is because they don't vote? Crazies is way milder IMHO...

Why do you even care so much about what he called Mexican illegals (no doubt you learned this righteous indignation from the media)? These aren't American citizens and you have no impetus to defend them. Shouldn't we focus on what's important to us as Americans-the border problems, the debt, the economy (which trump was talking about)? What he said about Mexicans or Thais or aboriginal Australians doesn't really make very much difference. So why focus on all the distractive chatter instead of the problem and danger to us Americabs that he is courageously heralding?

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #299 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:32:51 PM »

Quote from: Aj3042 on July 19, 2015, 08:29:08 PM

Why do you even care so much about what he called Mexican illegals (no doubt you learned this righteous indignation from the media)? These aren't American citizens and you have no impetus to defend them. Shouldn't we focus on what's important to us as Americans-the border problems, the debt, the economy (which trump was talking about)? What he said about Mexicans or Thais or aboriginal Australians doesn't really make very much difference. So why focus on all the distractive chatter instead of the problem and danger to us Americabs that he is courageously heralding?

I give up...

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