US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[Dan]

Enough of this coy nonsense. You and Paul Ryan. We know you'll both end up voting for Trump in the end.

This coming from the person who was pro-Trump in the primary season. Hope you're still happy with that.

[yesitsme]

Uber ich bin nisht a Rebbe.
And most of frum Judaism was pro-Napoleon.

How can you say that, you have thousands of followers, occasionally you fir tish for anshay massah.

[CS1]

I recoiled at Hillary's acceptance speech. But Trump continues to prove that he is unfit to lead this country.

Trump was specifically pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian aggression in actual, explicit words during his acceptance speech. The same cannot be said for Hillary.

[TimT]

I'll watch the next 2 debates and make up my mind.

You gonna let some show prep "make up your mind" ? You already know who you're gonna vote for.

[aygart]

Uber ich bin nisht a Rebbe.
And most of frum Judaism was pro-Napoleon.

True but they were both poison and horrible people. The whole question was who would be better for us. That is the same cold calculation here. If it was Mussolini vs Chavez I would simply figure out which is less harmful instead of standing by and allowing the more harmful one win. I Haman would kill c"v 5,000,000 vs Hitler's 6,000,000 by refusing to vote for him and allowing Hitler to be in power you are allowing 1,000,000 more to be killed.

[Dan]

You gonna let some show prep "make up your mind" ? You already know who you're gonna vote for.

I like to see how they handle the pressure. Trump melted under pressure, that doesn't bold well for the Presidency.

[Dan]

True but they were both poison and horrible people. The whole question was who would be better for us. That is the same cold calculation here. If it was Mussolini vs Chavez I would simply figure out which is less harmful instead of standing by and allowing the more harmful one win. I Haman would kill c"v 5,000,000 vs Hitler's 6,000,000 by refusing to vote for him and allowing Hitler to be in power you are allowing 1,000,000 more to be killed.

So you are clearly blessed with an amazing mind if you can calculate that Haman would have only killed 5MM vs 6MM for Hitler.
I am not able to make such precise calculations and would likely abstain from that vote rather than knowing that I voted for Haman or Hitler.

[aygart]

I like to see how they handle the pressure. Trump melted under pressure, that doesn't bold well for the Presidency.

How do you think Hillary would do in a situation where she was unable to reheasrse her lines for a week? Which situation is more of a concern in the presidency?

[David Smith]

Enough of this coy nonsense. You and Paul Ryan. We know you'll both end up voting for Trump in the end.

Nah. He's going to join many people (myself included) in effectively sitting this one out. Nothing wrong with that.

[Yehuda57]

Trump was specifically pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian aggression in actual, explicit words during his acceptance speech. The same cannot be said for Hillary.

And brought anti semitism and white supremacy mainstream, has stated giving Israel financial aid would be reconsidered, and has no pro Israel history or bona-fides to speak of

[Dan]

How do you think Hillary would do in a situation where she was unable to reheasrse her lines for a week? Which situation is more of a concern in the presidency?

She's less temperamental and more diplomatic than Trump and I do think she handles pressure and insults better. She happens to have positions I abhor, but I don't know that a highly temperamental and vulgar leader with positions that have flip flopped umpteen times is better.

[aygart]

So you are clearly blessed with an amazing mind if you can calculate that Haman would have only killed 5MM vs 6MM for Hitler.
I am not able to make such precise calculations and would likely abstain from that vote.

I am quite obviously not suggesting that would be the case and therefore you are right about that choice, but my point is the same. There is nothing wrong and everything right about voting against someone even if the only way to do that is to vote for someone less horrible.

[Dan]

I am quite obviously not suggesting that would be the case and therefore you are right about that choice, but my point is the same. There is nothing wrong and everything right about voting against someone even if the only way to do that is to vote for someone less horrible.

And at this point I don't know who will be less horrible.

[aygart]

And at this point I don't know who will be less horrible.

Then you are being blinded by your distaste for Trumps personality.

[Dan]

Then you are being blinded by your distaste for Trumps personality.

And you are drunk from the Trumpkin Kool-aid.

You know nothing about his positions because his only real position is ego and power. He doesn't even know his own positions because they don't exist!
All of his positions are fake and have flip-flopped based on his desired outcome, namely ego and power. He could have just as easily ran on the D ticket, but he seized upon an R ticket due to the lack of a clear leader in the fragmented field.

[aygart]

You know nothing about his positions because his only real position is ego and power. He doesn't even know his own positions because they don't exist!
All of his positions are fake and have flip-flopped based on his desired outcome. He could have just as easily ran on the D ticket.

That is absolutely true. It makes little difference because he we be a powerless president. A powerless president may the best possible scenario of all.

[Dan]

That is absolutely true. It makes little difference because he we be a powerless president.

Is Rodrigo Duterte powerless? Trump looks up to people like him and Putin and Chavez!
But the truth is words matter. We can't afford to insult other leaders and isolate ourselves in the 21st century.

[joe1234]

And you are drunk from the Trumpkin Kool-aid.

You know nothing about his positions because his only real position is ego and power. He doesn't even know his own positions because they don't exist!
All of his positions are fake and have flip-flopped based on his desired outcome, namely ego and power. He could have just as easily ran on the D ticket, but he seized upon an R ticket due to the lack of a clear leader in the fragmented field.

He should have! If he had done so he probably would have won by a landslide...

[aygart]

Is Rodrigo Duterte powerless? Trump looks up to people like him and Putin and Chavez!
But the truth is words matter. We can't afford to insult other leaders and isolate ourselves in the 21st century.

Who cares if he does have the ability to get to their position? This is one of the big advantages of not having a parliamentary system.

You are making it as if Hillary's foreign policies did us well.

[Dan]

Who cares if he does have the ability to get to their position? This is one of the big advantages of not having a parliamentary system.

You are making it as if Hillary's foreign policies did us well.

No, I'm not.
Why do you need to conflate Trump's horribleness with Clinton's horribleness. They're both horrible! Saying one is horrible has nothing to do with endorsing the other.
I do not know which horribleness is worse at this point in time.