Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3832499 times)

yuneeq · « **Reply #7400 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:42:08 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on November 10, 2016, 06:30:50 PM

Based on appearance alone, too many times to count. On the very debate stage - Carly Fiorina.

He did the same for both genders, like Little Marco

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Well, he did say that if a woman is assaulted at work, she should find a new job.

I happen to think that's good if not obvious advice.
Who would want their friend/relative to work in a place that enables sexual assault?

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He literally admits to sexual assault in that video (he is 50 - he's not a teenager bragging about his conquests.) Then a dozen or so women come forward saying he assaulted them in exactly the way he described, and we shouldn't believe them?

That doesn't make him a misogynist, that makes him indecent.

sky121 · « **Reply #7401 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:42:32 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 10, 2016, 06:41:15 PM

Is this a Jewish thing? Will you be looked down upon if you vote for a bad person even if it is the lesser of two evils?

Maybe it's because he comes across SO "piggish" that people feel the need to go so much further in defending themselves ? I really don't get it.

aygart · « **Reply #7402 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:44:14 PM »

good sam · « **Reply #7403 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:44:46 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on November 10, 2016, 06:41:41 PM

I agree with so much you've said on this forum. But the second you start trying to defend him like this it leads me to believe you're in denial. Denial is a dangerous place.

My mind is wide open, I don't think I'm suffering from denial. I've followed the election obsessively for 18 months and these are the conclusions I came to. I think this is an important discussion because so many people are feeling so horribly about Trump having been elected.

JTZ · « **Reply #7404 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:45:42 PM »

To bad their are not women joining in on this conversation. I would love to hear their view of Trump.

sky121 · « **Reply #7405 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:46:26 PM »

Quote from: good sam on November 10, 2016, 06:44:46 PM

My mind is wide open, I don't think I'm suffering from denial. I've followed the election obsessively for 18 months and these are the conclusions I came to. I think this is an important discussion because so many people are feeling so horribly about Trump having been elected.

I agree. Gotta work on helping everyone unite and be positive with what we have and be open minded that he may do good. But I tend to think people will take me more seriously if I admit his faults and focus on his strengths.

good sam · « **Reply #7406 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:47:03 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on November 10, 2016, 06:42:08 PM

That doesn't make him a misogynist, that makes him indecent.

No good. Sexual assault is not acceptable in any form, and completely disqualifying. If there's any compelling evidence that he did, I'm off the Trump bandwagon in a second. But those tapes clearly have nothing to do with sexual assault.

JTZ · « **Reply #7407 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:47:13 PM »

Quote from: good sam on November 10, 2016, 06:44:46 PM

My mind is wide open, I don't think I'm suffering from denial. I've followed the election obsessively for 18 months and these are the conclusions I came to. I think this is an important discussion because so many people are feeling so horribly about Trump having been elected.

I don't feel horrible. I am holding out hope that he will nominate true conservative judges.

yuneeq · « **Reply #7408 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:47:21 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on November 10, 2016, 06:41:41 PM

I agree with so much you've said on this forum. But the second you start trying to defend him like this it leads me to believe you're in denial. Denial is a dangerous place.

You're right.
Since we all agree that he's indecent, now you can call him a communist murderer, and we shouldn't "defend" him or try to make you prove that you're correct. In other words, there's nothing to defend if you haven't proven anything.

good sam · « **Reply #7409 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:47:41 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 10, 2016, 06:45:42 PM

To bad their are not women joining in on this conversation. I would love to hear their view of Trump.

43% voted for him, that should give you some indication.

sky121 · « **Reply #7410 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:49:07 PM »

Quote from: good sam on November 10, 2016, 06:47:41 PM

43% voted for him, that should give you some indication.

I don't think so. Plenty of women voted for him who still feel the same way. Wouldn't want to be alone in a room with him but still think he's the better choice for the country as a whole.

JTZ · « **Reply #7411 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:49:51 PM »

Is it fair to assume that no one hear would ever approve of a 20 something version of Trump marrying someone you care about?

good sam · « **Reply #7412 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:50:02 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on November 10, 2016, 06:46:26 PM

I agree. Gotta work on helping everyone unite and be positive with what we have and be open minded that he may do good. But I tend to think people will take me more seriously if I admit his faults and focus on his strengths.

Follow the conversation. I've admitted he has faults. But I haven't seen compelling evidence that he's racist or misogynist, which are the factors that are instilling so much fear in so many people.

good sam · « **Reply #7413 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:51:22 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 10, 2016, 06:49:51 PM

Is it fair to assume that no one hear would ever approve of a 20 something version of Trump marrying someone you care about?

Can't speak for others, but yes as far as I'm concerned.

Is that why people are protesting in the streets?

yuneeq · « **Reply #7414 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:52:17 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 10, 2016, 06:49:51 PM

Is it fair to assume that no one hear would ever approve of a 20 something version of Trump marrying someone you care about?

Obviously agree, but it's not like we wouldn't say the same about most candidates, including Hillary.

sky121 · « **Reply #7415 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:53:01 PM »

If another Republican had won people wouldn't be half as mad. I'd say part of the protests are definitely fueled by people's opinion of him personally. And not letting or wanting a "person like that" to be their president.

JTZ · « **Reply #7416 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:53:24 PM »

Quote from: good sam on November 10, 2016, 06:50:02 PM

Follow the conversation. I've admitted he has faults. But I haven't seen compelling evidence that he's racist or misogynist, which are the factors that are instilling so much fear in so many people.

Lets try and be open minded here. When someone wants to deport 11 million people and stop Muslims coming into this country can't you see why some would see this as racism? I am not asking if you believe it is racism.

yuneeq · « **Reply #7417 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:54:01 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on November 10, 2016, 06:53:01 PM

If another Republican had won people wouldn't be half as mad. I'd say part of the protests are definitely fueled by people's opinion of him personally. And not letting or wanting a "person like that" to be their president.

No need to discuss hypotheticals.
Any other republican wouldn't have won

aygart · « **Reply #7418 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:54:21 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 10, 2016, 06:41:15 PM

Is this a Jewish thing? Will you be looked down upon if you vote for a bad person even if it is the lesser of two evils?

I would have a hard time justifying voting for a bigotover some SCOTUS appointments etc. Had I thought he was racist I would have considered Hillary the lesser of two evils. He is certainly not someone to respect and is a low person. I thought that way about him long before he was involved in politics. That does not equal his being a bigot any more than Bill Clinton's indecency makes him one. I have not seen anything yet to make me believe that his bigotry is anything more than a liberal myth. Maybe it is CD, but that is the way it is.

sky121 · « **Reply #7419 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:54:27 PM »

Quote from: good sam on November 10, 2016, 06:50:02 PM

Follow the conversation. I've admitted he has faults. But I haven't seen compelling evidence that he's racist or misogynist, which are the factors that are instilling so much fear in so many people.

Fair enough.
And you're right. Maybe we have no proof of those things but the way he speaks and things he says aren't helping people to think otherwise.

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