US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

The quote is in here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

Just one example: Alt Right people singled out Jewish people (reporters, or anyone they find on social media) with  ((())) around their names. This was appropriated by Yair Rosenberg (Tablet magazine), which is why you may have seen it all over and mostly stopped the practice.

People who's twitter and social media accounts make it clear they are part of the alt right, have been sending Jewish reporters (or even people who merely sound Jewish) the most horrific nazi stuff, like pictures of them them in ovens. Some have been doxed, and the threats have arrived at their homes, on their private phones, and more.

I don't have the time to quote you sources on all this, but I've been seeing this since Trump started gaining momentum. Screen shots, tweets, etc. It has literally been everywhere because Hilary made a speech about it. Every news site has articles explaining it. Wikipedia has a well sourced piece. Even if most of it isn't true or exaggerated- it is still unbelievably naive and lazy of you to dismiss it out of hand. It is not just online harassment, read up on David French, and what he had to put up when he merely thought about running for president.

Steve Bannon has aligned himself with the most horrific of people. He hasn't even made one attempt to disassociate himself from these neo nazis. It is absolutely horrifying that he is is so highly ranked in the next president's cabinet, and sickening that Jews are not only cavalier about it, but celebrating it.

ETA - this is only anti semitic stuf off the top of my head - there is racism, misogyny and just sickening stuff like "Gaby Giffords is the human shild of the gun controlling left" or something like that. He's horrific.

Can you explain what is so terrible about that Gifford quote?

[JTZ]

I'm loving reading these early posts.

The funny part is some have amnesia when they tell me to eat Crow. 

[good sam]

The funny part is some have amnesia when they tell me to eat Crow. 

Lol

[aygart]

The funny part is some have amnesia when they tell me to eat Crow. 

they don't want to eat it by themselves.

[ExGingi]

Major language warning
https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

The common thing about this guy and Trump is that you have to be able to listen beyond his language.

All he is saying is that if one believes they are right, and the other side is wrong, the only proper way to deal with it (and win) is by engaging in civilized dialogue.

[Yehuda57]

From what you wrote the whole thing is that he has connections to the alt right and there some people who may identify as alt right who may be anti Semites. There probably are. I see e no reason they should be better than the radical left. How does that show that alt right is in itself an anti Semitic movement and that it would reflect on him? I am not saying it doesn't exist. I simply don't know one way or the other and what has been shown here is weak at best.

Oh please, no "may" about it. They are neo nazi racist anti semites. Their platform is breitbart. Bannon is proud of that, by his own words. There's a whole alt right manifesto on breitbart. They call themselves "nationalists" which is basically white supremacy without the hoods.

There were *thousands* of anti Semitic incidents in the name of Trump since his campaign started. You've heard barely a word, if any, about it from Trump or his campaign.

There are hundreds of racist incidents around the country since Wednesday.

You voted Trump? You voted for this. You voted for the more eloquent version of most hateful trash on 4chan.

The left also has virulent anti semites. No doubt about it. That doesn't justify anything

[JTZ]

What's the big deal with the anti-Semite. Trump hates women, Mexicans and Muslims so why not add Jews to the list?

[yuneeq]

There are hundreds of racist incidents around the country since Wednesday.

You voted Trump? You voted for this. You voted for the more eloquent version of most hateful trash on 4chan.

The left also has virulent anti semites. No doubt about it. That doesn't justify anything

Video please?
Because I've seen a few stories from the left proven false (Hijab for example) but I haven't seen any videos of anyone getting harassed besides Trump supporters.

[ExGingi]

What's the big deal with the anti-Semite. Trump hates women, Mexicans and Muslims so why not add Jews to the list?

It's not really a big deal http://haravamar.org.il/על-הפרשה/בראשית/פרשת-וישלח/157-הלכה-בידוע-עשו-שונא-ליעקב

[aygart]

Oh please, no "may" about it. They are neo nazi racist anti semites. Their platform is breitbart. Bannon is proud of that, by his own words. There's a whole alt right manifesto on breitbart. They call themselves "nationalists" which is basically white supremacy without the hoods. I have yet to see anything to make me belive that the whole alt-right thing is more than rhetoric to try and paint Trump as guilty by asociation.

There were *thousands* of anti Semitic incidents in the name of Trump since his campaign started. You've heard barely a word, if any, about it from Trump or his campaign.

There are hundreds of racist incidents around the country since Wednesday.

You voted Trump? You voted for this. You voted for the more eloquent version of most hateful trash on 4chan.

The left also has virulent anti semites. No doubt about it. That doesn't justify anything

Sorry you will need to do better than just Oh please. I have no idea about them. I do not follow alt right or any of those things I have yet to see anyone show anything clear about him being an ant semite and it seems that you can do no better than guilt by supposed association. You bring from Mother Jones? That is the pot calling the kettle black and is a raya listor. if you want to just blindly follow the left's innuendo go ahead but don't hold others to it.

 There were thousands of anti-semitic incidents in the name of Trump? Show a couple

Hundreds since Wednesday? Show them. Real sources not some picture on twitter which may or may not have happened or may be staged etc. That is all I am asking for. I have nothing with Bannon and have no problem believing he is an anti semite. There are unfortunately enough of them out there and no ideology has a monopoly on them.

[ad120]

Trump Sold Out and now I am ticked off.
He said he was going to build a WALL and now he is saying it may be a fence in some areas.
He said he was going to repeal and replace obamacare and now he is saying he is going to alter it.
He said that he was going to lock her up and now he is going to let her free.
I did not vote for him so he can scale back on his promises.
#NotMyPresident

[thaber]

What do Beverly Hills and lakewood have in common?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-westside-trump-20161110-story.html

[Emkay]

Most of Trumps promises weren't realistic or were never going to happen. What is said on the campaign trail is merely to get you elected, the only reason presidents fulfill them at times is either an accident or reelection  .
Anyone who elects a president based solely on campaign promises prob should have voted for Hillary, history shows that less than half of those promises are ever fully fulfilled.  You should be voting for his views instead, in this case virulently opposed to illegal criminal immigrants, although not necessarily because of the yuuuuge wall promise.
I had enough of this politically correct crap where you cant say certain things without handing out chocolates and support dogs, obviously thats only if your not a minority yourself.  Bill Clinton took a strong stand and said that exact things Trump did about deportations and got a standing ovation while Trump is a bigoted racist. Obama deported millions of illegals during his way too long tenure-more than all presidents of the 20th century combined- and nobody said boo, but Trump is the fascist dictator.
Its not Trump who is dividing the country, its the media and the jellyfish-backboned, politically-correct society. if you cant see that, well then you likely voted for Hillary.....or Bernie.

I find it ironic that one of the biggest defendants here of these (at times violent) protests is actually so disgusted by protests like this when they dont follow his agenda that he wouldn't visit a country because of them.

[JTZ]

You should be voting for his views instead...

Thank you for pointing this out. So if you view women as fat pigs, dogs, slobs, disgusting animals and should grab them by the p**** then Trump is the person that shares your same views.

[Moshe123]

What do Beverly Hills and lakewood have in common?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-westside-trump-20161110-story.html

Ocean County as a whole went YUUUGE for Trump.

[skyguy918]

Sorry you will need to do better than just Oh please. I have no idea about them. I do not follow alt right or any of those things I have yet to see anyone show anything clear about him being an ant semite and it seems that you can do no better than guilt by supposed association. You bring from Mother Jones? That is the pot calling the kettle black and is a raya listor. if you want to just blindly follow the left's innuendo go ahead but don't hold others to it.

 There were thousands of anti-semitic incidents in the name of Trump? Show a couple

Hundreds since Wednesday? Show them. Real sources not some picture on twitter which may or may not have happened or may be staged etc. That is all I am asking for. I have nothing with Bannon and have no problem believing he is an anti semite. There are unfortunately enough of them out there and no ideology has a monopoly on them.

I'll just point out to you that you've created a viewpoint in which almost any evidence can be dismissed for one reason or another, as part of a narrative instead of plain truth. This creates a massive echo chamber. All that remains is your own gut feelings.

And maybe you're okay with that given the alternative. But at least recognize that you're in that situation.

[Baruch]

Trump hates women

So why did he marry 3 of them? 

[aygart]

I'll just point out to you that you've created a viewpoint in which almost any evidence can be dismissed for one reason or another, as part of a narrative instead of plain truth. This creates a massive echo chamber. All that remains is your own gut feelings.

And maybe you're okay with that given the alternative. But at least recognize that you're in that situation.

That is a ridiculous statement. You have yet to show anything at all that he said or did which shows anti-semitism except an accusation by an ex during divorce proceedings. Everything else was a very vague guilt by association. Under that standard every member of either candidate's team is an anti semite as well as 99% of the world. You are swallowing the far left identity politics in which they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of bigotry. It is not that people voted for Trump in spite of that, they voted Trump BECAUSE of that. You siad there were hundreds and thousands of incidents. If so you should be able to show some of them. Asking to show something from a reliable source to back up your statement is not dismissing evidence it is dismissing your baseless accusations and asking for evidence. You are making accusations and seem to be unable to show ANYTHING.

[skyguy918]

That is a ridiculous statement. You have yet to show anything at all that he said or did which shows anti-semitism except an accusation by an ex during divorce proceedings. Everything else was a very vague guilt by association. Under that standard every member of either candidate's team is an anti semite as well as 99% of the world. You are swallowing the far left identity politics in which they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of bigotry. It is not that people voted for Trump in spite of that, they voted Trump BECAUSE of that. You siad there were hundreds and thousands of incidents. If so you should be able to show some of them. Asking to show something from a reliable source to back up your statement is not dismissing evidence it is dismissing your baseless accusations and asking for evidence. You are making accusations and seem to be unable to show ANYTHING.

I'm not a party to this discussion, so I haven't done anything. But I have observed your standards of 'evidence', as well as the fact that you require incontrovertible evidence for some things, but are okay with far less for others.

And before you ask, no I'm not going to go back and collect quotes for you. This is what it looks like to me from the sidelines.

ETA: I should probably mention that my comment is not an endorsement of the opposing point of view - and in fact it can probably be applied to both sides a lot of these discussions. It just happens to jump out at me from you.

[JTZ]

So why did he marry 3 of them? 

Trying to find one he likes?