US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[JTZ]

It says something about a person when he gets engaged at age 58 to a nude model 24 years his junior.

Is it the model part you have a problem with?

[aygart]

Your mental gymnastics are most impressive.

Did I miss something not in that clip? I saw nothing about black or white rather western vs muslim etc. He happens to be wrong. Either way what does that have to do with Trump anyhow?

[skyguy918]

Did I miss something not in that clip? I saw nothing about black or white rather western vs muslim etc. He happens to be wrong. Either way what does that have to do with Trump anyhow?

Yes. Giyf. Though that's not really my point. I'll try to elaborate when I get to a computer.

[aygart]

Your mental gymnastics are most impressive.

If you think mine are impressive check this out
https://www.facebook.com/mountainmystic9/posts/10209056695950858

[yuneeq]

Definitely not the only thing

I'm not Trump fan but half these things are nothing close to newsworthy or even worthy of being tweeted.

[ExGingi]

They're both all for power, money, and fame. They're both compulsive liars. They're both criminals.
Trump seems to bring out the worst elements of society with his racist remarks and that's what scares me. Her agenda scares me as well.
I flip flop daily on what I'll do come November.

Just think about SCOTUS nominations before you go to vote. That should help you flip one way and not the other.

[aygart]

Just think about SCOTUS nominations before you go to vote. That should help you flip one way and not the other.

+1 that is almost the only thing a president really gets to do.

[Moshe123]

Trump officially nominated.

NeverTrump moves on to November.

[ilherman]

Trump officially nominated.

NeverTrump moves on to November.

Well they have had such bad luck in the past. You think they will succeed?

[thaber]

I'm not Trump fan but half these things are nothing close to newsworthy or even worthy of being tweeted.

I fully agree.  They were being talked about,  I didn't write the list.  That was the question that I was answering

[aygart]

I fully agree.  They were being talked about,  I didn't write the list.  That was the question that I was answering

Talked about by whom

[good sam]

It says something about a person when he gets engaged at age 58 to a nude model 24 years his junior.

She was nude when they got engaged?

[thaber]

I'm not Trump fan but half these things are nothing close to newsworthy or even worthy of being tweeted.

Talked about by whom

Let me clarify, and put this in context. Way earlier today someone said that if the only criticism being discussed is the plagiarising it's an indicator everything else went well. I am very apolitical in this particular election, but I had happened to have just been scrolling through my twitter feed and seen a host of other issues being discussed, as well as a list put out by a fairly popular twitter personality. as such I responded that there are other issues being discussed, and I plagiarised his list.I wasn't endorsing or supporting it, just responding to the specific comment. Can we move on now?

 

[Moshe123]

Trump officially nominated.

NeverTrump moves on to November.

We didn't succeed in convincing republican voters not to vote for a conman. According to the polls, we did succeed in convincing America as a whole.

[Moshe123]

Tonight's speeches are being fed into turnitin as we speak...

[aygart]

We didn't succeed in convincing primary voters not to vote for a con. According to the polls, we did succeed in convincing America as a whole.

FTFY
So you really think trump will beat her?

[skyguy918]

If you think mine are impressive check this out
https://www.facebook.com/mountainmystic9/posts/10209056695950858

That would best be described as "mental", full stop - no gymnastics necessary

Did I miss something not in that clip? I saw nothing about black or white rather western vs muslim etc. He happens to be wrong. Either way what does that have to do with Trump anyhow?

Here's the full conversation:

The group, led by Chris Hayes, was discussing the first day of the Republican national convention and Donald Trump's history of racially-loaded comments and behavior. King told Hayes that he thought Trump had "modified" his behavior in that regard, but Esquire's Charlie Pierce said he didn't see much diversity reflected in the gathering itself.

"If you're really optimistic, you can say that this is the last time that old white people will command the Republican Party's attention, its platform, its public face," Pierce said. "That hall is wired," he continued. "That hall is wired by loud, unhappy, dissatisfied white people."

King objected.

"This 'old white people' business does get a little tired, Charlie," King said. "I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you're talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"

"Than white people?" Hayes asked, clearly amazed.

"Than, than Western civilization itself," King replied. "It's rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That's all of Western civilization."

Slightly more complete version of the video here: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/18/republican_congressman_steve_king_criticizes_nonwhite_races_for_failing.html

That's what you hear right at the beginning of the youtube clip posted above - "This 'old white people' business...". He only switched gears to start talking about western civilization (and then specifying Europe/US and Christianity specifically, as if that has anything to do with it or makes it any better) when he saw HAyes asked 'Than white people?' incredulously, and the panel members were all giving him horrified looks.

The guy has already had several other controversies that provide context for this comment as well. It's pretty clear what he meant.

Having said all that, I agree on a micro level that King's comments shouldn't matter to Trump's viability as a candidate. But on a macro level, and I've said this before (I think it was with the Hillary/Jewish star tweet), it's very unsettling to see the types of people that seem to make up the foundation of his support, and especially Trump's handling (or lack thereof) of those voices. I live in NY and most likely will not bother voting, so don't take this to mean that I'm pro-Hillary or pro-Trump. But if you feel that the only thing that matter is SCOTUS, then every time someone 'attacks' Trump, just say "doesn't matter, SCOTUS" and leave it at that. No need for to play twister defending all the crazy things he does, defenses which I feel like you yourself don't even believe half the time. Better yet, explain coherently why SCOTUS matters above all else (and/or why nothing else matters) and why you think Trump is the better choice from that perspective.

[Moshe123]

FTFY
So you really think trump will beat her?

You misread me.

[aygart]

You misread me.

You mean you really meant my fix?

[ExGingi]

Was driving for a couple of hours, so I got quite a bit of Christie and of Donald Jr.

I must say that Christie's speech would have been better (to paraphrase Paul Ryan) on "mute". Is fighting a dictator regime bad (Ghaddafi) or good (Assad)? There's enough out there against her that one doesn't have to take sides in such a complex situation (especially since it's history). And calling Putin a dictator?

OTOH I thought Trump Jr. was a great speech which hit excellent chords. I honestly think that if this campaign uses Trump Jr's themes as the pro Trump, and just keep on putting up Bader-Ginsburg as the reason not to vote for HRC (I think that could sway many independents that might see the threat to our democracy and checks and balances system), Trump actually might have a very good chance in November.