US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[ExGingi]

Not sure what high road u refer of that trump took.
Cruz standing by his moral and ethical standards couldnt bring himself to say i endorse and stand by trumps standards which he simply doesn't.(btw scott walker didnt either). i think thats a pretty high road not bowing to pressure like a coward  (like christie standing there like an idiot,  or rubio going and endorsing). Theres no reason that any individual should feel like he has to go against princibles just because ur a republican card carrying member and party leadership decided you have to.
There was no pledge of endorsement, simply support and wouldnt run third party, Cruz was the only one who never backed off the pledge even when trunp himself did. He very clearly said when it comes to November he urged everyone to go vote and although i believe that consiensce was a poor choice of words, from the rest of his speech he clearly meant to vote for Trump, as Gringrich pharaprased for him.
To me this is the highest road, the highest moral ethical code of conduct of which he stands for, and calling him a phony and a fraud is simply not true. In fact the opposite had he endorsed that would have been the highest form of phoniness and fraud.

A true high road approach would have been to lay out everything he did in his speech, and conclude by saying something like "I've had a bitter and personal rivalry with Trump, with very personal attacks against me, but now that he has stunned everyone and is the Republican nominee, he is MY nominee too. I will rise above my personal feelings, and look at the choices presented at this election, and make a clear choice for this country's future and vote for Trump."

[Dan]

Personally I think the high road is the one Kasich took, but to each their own.

[Dan]

GARY JOHNSON FOR PRESIDENT

I don't agree with all of his positions, but with the other options being so awful, maybe that's what I'll do.
So odd being an undecided voter. Never understood why someone would be undecided until this year.

[EJB]

I don't agree with all of his positions, but with the other options being so awful, maybe that's what I'll do.

MELANIA TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!

[JTZ]

So, do I vote for Trump because he's not Clinton or vote for Clinton because she's not Trump.
Is there any other reason to vote for these 2 clowns?
Or do I just take the Gary Johnson route?

Decisions, decisions...

Are SCOTUS appointments important to you? Do you feel one would be better than the other on this issue? There has to be some issue they differ on that affects you in a big way.

[EJB]

DAN FOR SCOTUS

[JTZ]

IVANKA TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!

FTFY. We had a black so now lets try a Jew.

[Dan]

Are SCOTUS appointments important to you? Do you feel one would be better than the other on this issue? There has to be some issue they differ on that affects you in a big way.

Do I trust Trump to nominate someone to the SCOTUS as he said he would? Not really.

Is it worth having a race-baiter and someone who wants a trade war in the WH just for a SCOTUS nominee? Unclear to me at this time, but leaning towards not really.

Then again I don't care for the class-warfare baiter or someone who's pro Obamacare and a nuclear Iran in the WH either. So the reason to vote for each one is pretty much because they're not the other.

Which leaves Gary and Mickey.

[Dan]

FTFY. We had a black so now lets try a Jew.

Maybe Ivanka will the the SCOTUS nominee

[Moshe123]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html

This is the biggest indictment of any sane Republican's plans to vote for Trump.

“I don’t think we have a right to lecture,” Mr. Trump said in a wide-ranging interview in his suite in a downtown hotel here while keeping an eye on television broadcasts from the Republican National Convention. “Look at what is happening in our country,” he said. “How are we going to lecture when people are shooting policemen in cold blood?”

He even called into question whether, as president, he would automatically extend the security guarantees that give the 28 members of NATO the assurance that the full force of the United States military has their back.

For example, asked about Russia’s threatening activities that have unnerved the small Baltic States that are among the more recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.”

Mr. Trump had nothing but praise for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the country’s increasingly authoritarian but democratically elected leader. “I give great credit to him for being able to turn that around,” Mr. Trump said of the coup attempt on Friday night. “Some people say that it was staged, you know that,” he said. “I don’t think so.”

Mr. Trump said he was convinced that he could persuade Mr. Erdogan to put more effort into fighting the Islamic State. But the Obama administration has run up, daily, against the reality that the Kurds — among the most effective forces the United States is supporting against the Islamic State — are being attacked by Turkey, which fears they will create a breakaway nation.

Asked how he would solve that problem, Mr. Trump paused, then said: “Meetings.” LOLOLOL

He's downright dangerous to world stability. That's even when ignoring all his racist stuff.

[JTZ]

Maybe Ivanka will the the SCOTUS nominee

A smart, young, powerful, good looking (sexist remark) Jewish women. How could we go wrong?

[Eliyohu]

Personally I think the high road is the one Kasich took, but to each their own.

His thinking is somewhere along the lines of, he never had a chance to win and was hoping for a brokered convention and when this didnt happen he just couldnt swallow it, to me thats a bit babyish. He could have atleast came to bash hilliary or said like Scott walker that we cant afford to wait 4 years. The convention is in his own state... and Trump needs him to win Ohio in November.
 Thats unless he really does want Hillary to win, which makes sense as lots of his views are inline with hers.

[Moshe123]

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=63957.msg1517400#msg1517400

[JTZ]

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=63957.msg1517400#msg1517400

If it is not to personal will you be voting for HRC?

[aygart]

After further review I reverse my call on the field. There was no excuse for him to say to vote your conscience. That is the term being used by the conservative NeverTrumpers. Had he left those words out it would have been fine to have not specifically said that he endorses Trump. Had he said vote for Rs up and down the ticket it would have been fine. He endorsed enough of Trump's policies to get away with that and have even been called giving a full endorsement to Trump. I still do not think that this was a breach of his support the nominee pledge.

As an aside, IINM Cruz won enough states that according to GOP rules he was entitled to speak with or without Trump's blessing.

This does bring out the disorganization of the Trump campaign. What could have been their best opportunity to show the skeptics why they vote Trump has been squandered and news cycle has been about unforced errors of theirs.

It does show that their operation is still pretty amateur. I forgot where I read that their communication staff is a few people as opposed to clintons hundreds

They better get their act together before they start playing in the real world! (If they win)

He said he will be getting the best people to advise him if he wins. Can it get any worse than what he has now? 

This certainly does give cause for concern over their ability to manage the presidency.

[Yehuda57]

Trump hasn't changed from the beginning.

He signed the pledge in marker and went back on it. Did you even watch the video I posted before?

He didn't have to speak at the convention.

Exactly. But you know who wanted him to speak despite knowing exactly what he would say? Trump. Why would he want that? To boo him off stage and get back at someone he dislikes. Yup, sounds like a president.

And why did Cruz speak? Because when it all crumbles in November, his speech, along with the selling out of Rubio, Walker, Ryan et al, makes for a ready-made campaign.

it's all about SCOTUS nominations!

What has Trump done or said to convince you his SCOTUS nominees would be right wing or even have any sort of cognitive function? Every word out of his mouth contradicts another of his. He repeatedly has undermined the Constitution, including freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and others. He continues to praise and find common ground with the worst of dictators. He has been on the left side of *every* social issue prior to running for president. It boggles the mind that so many capitulated to him.

And to think the Senate could have held a hearing and selected Garland, universally liked and respected, and now they'll have to do with HRC's nominee... Talk about shortsightedness and idiotic spitefulness.

[hachover]

Personally I think the high road is the one Kasich took, but to each their own.

Kasich showed up for the Republicans the same as Bernie Sanders did for the Democrats (minus the supporters).

That's what you call the high road? (snort)

[JTZ]

He signed the pledge in marker and went back on it. Did you even watch the video I posted before?

Reread what I said. Don't combine my answers as they were to different questions.

[hachover]

I think it's a great move for Kasich, you have the whole republican party endorsing one person who is a total wild card if he gets elected and is terrible in 4 years from now he gets to say the more gratifying I told you so.

Just because Trump won his party's nomination I don't see why that means he has to endorse a candidate he doesn't like. Seems like an honest person who can stand by his convictions even when his party is losing theirs.

No one likes to hear I told you so. That's not going to be an effective campaign to get him nominated. And after this go around, most of us think he has severe cognitive disabilities, so it's over before it starts. The guy could be Ronald Reagan incarnate - but once the Alzheimers is out in the open it's time for the rest home.

Maybe he can keep OH, but he should stay there.

[David Smith]

Trump is not a Republican. Period. He just knew that no third party candidate on history has won, and decided that it would be easier to win on the Republican ticket than the Democratic. Not endorsing him isn't called not being a team player. Trump isn't on the team.