US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

It may have some impact.
But I remember them saying the same thing in 2008 that there would be a lot of racists who will ultimately pull the lever for McCain just because he wasn't black and that they weren't showing up in polls.
Never materialized.

But why wouldn't they just answer to a pollster that they support McCain? Here there are many who like you do not like either candidate and are either calling themselves undecided or saying they will vote for Johnson or Stein or Mickey Mouse but then when it comes to actually voting realize that it makes no sense at all and vote for one or the other. This has been showing in the polls already with the tightening coming without Hillary's numbers dropping. Also, there wasn't the embarrassment factor with McCain that there is with Trump or Hillary. I would guess that 70% of the electorate will be holding their noses and voting no matter who they vote for.

[aygart]

[JTZ]

I would guess that 70% of the electorate will be holding their noses and voting no matter who they vote for.

You don't think the majority of each candidates base will be voting for them because they actually do support them?

[aygart]

You don't think the majority of each candidates base will be voting for them because they actually do support them?

Fine. My point is the same. IN this election there is a disproportionately high share of hold your nose and vote voters.

[JTZ]

Fine. My point is the same. IN this election there is a disproportionately high share of hold your nose and vote voters.

If that was your point then I would agree.

[Baruch]

Or they are all in denial that they will probably end up voting for Trump.

If he wins this it'll be because all the polls didn't consider the embarrassment of Trump voters.

For example if there was a vote to legalize gay marriage all the polls and Facebook feeds will likely show it to pass a vote, because people are shamed into not expressing their opposition. But in the privacy of a polling booth a huge percentage will likely still vote it down.

The same argument can be made (not as strongly) that there's Clinton embarrassment too.

[elit]

It may have some impact.
But I remember them saying the same thing in 2008 that there would be a lot of racists who will ultimately pull the lever for McCain just because he wasn't black and that they weren't showing up in polls.
Never materialized.

The difference racism being a big issue today I believe is a liberal fantasy....
(Dont shoot me)

[aygart]

The same argument can be made (not as strongly) that there's Clinton embarrassment too.

Do you think that is the case? How much bullying is there of Clinton voters Vs Trump voters?

[JTZ]

The difference racism being a big issue today I believe is a liberal fantasy....
(Dont shoot me)

Not going to shoot you but there is racism everywhere.

[aygart]

Not going to shoot you but there is racism everywhere.

Big difference between it existing and being a big issue. I would guess that a high percentage of forum members have experienced some level of bias at some point in their lives but would also say that bias is not a big issue in America today.

[Baruch]

Do you think that is the case? How much bullying is there of Clinton voters Vs Trump voters?

I don't mean because of bullying. I believe there are Bernie loyalists who will never admit that their voting for Clinton. And there are lifelong GOPers, who are afraid of Trump, who won't admit they're voting for Clinton, (I speak from experience  , or maybe not, I won't know till I'm in the voting booth).

[elit]

Not going to shoot you but there is racism everywhere.

Not on a scale to impact an election

[elit]

I am no fan of kasich butThis idea that people who make a protest vote are senile or insane is ridiclous. There is nothing crazy about feeling that both candidates are not people you are comfortable pulling the lever for. I know someone who's whole life is invested in the conservative movement (not a politician a genuine academic and activist) and he has told me he will never vote for trump or Clinton they both going against everything he believes in and he cant support either. I am not sure if I would do the same but it's certainly something I can understand and respect

[Baruch]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-odds-of-an-electoral-college-popular-vote-split-are-increasing/

Basically, Trump's chances of winning the election are even (10%) better than the polls are showing. #scary

[Dan]

I am no fan of kasich butThis idea that people who make a protest vote are senile or insane is ridiclous. There is nothing crazy about feeling that both candidates are not people you are comfortable pulling the lever for. I know someone who's whole life is invested in the conservative movement (not a politician a genuine academic and activist) and he has told me he will never vote for trump or Clinton they both going against everything he believes in and he cant support either. I am not sure if I would do the same but it's certainly something I can understand and respect

I've spoken to several people like that locally.

[Freddie]

I am no fan of kasich butThis idea that people who make a protest vote are senile or insane is ridiclous. There is nothing crazy about feeling that both candidates are not people you are comfortable pulling the lever for. I know someone who's whole life is invested in the conservative movement (not a politician a genuine academic and activist) and he has told me he will never vote for trump or Clinton they both going against everything he believes in and he cant support either. I am not sure if I would do the same but it's certainly something I can understand and respect

You followed the conversation? Kasich is senile and crazy not because he made a protest vote but because his vote wasn't even a protest vote,

Next time my wife is taking to me and I'm not listening and she says, "ok so which one do you like?" I'm going to say, "waffles!" and she'll say, "We were discussing what color to paint the living room" and I'll say, "I know that! And waffles is my protest vote!"

[aygart]

I don't mean because of bullying. I believe there are Bernie loyalists who will never admit that their voting for Clinton. And there are lifelong GOPers, who are afraid of Trump, who won't admit they're voting for Clinton, (I speak from experience  , or maybe not, I won't know till I'm in the voting booth).

The bullying is a siman not a siba. I am not referring to their being afraid of getting beaten up but because they find it socially unacceptable to be voting for Trump. The loyalists of the primary loser you always have and is probably a wash.

[Baruch]

The bullying is a siman not a siba. I am not referring to their being afraid of getting beaten up but because they find it socially unacceptable to be voting for Trump.

I understood that from your first comment.

The loyalists of the primary loser you always have and is probably a wash.

I disagree, Bernie was a movement, you don't usually have that in primaries. (And Obama and Trump who were also movements won the primaries)

[Dan]

You followed the conversation? Kasich is senile and crazy not because he made a protest vote but because his vote wasn't even a protest vote,

Next time my wife is taking to me and I'm not listening and she says, "ok so which one do you like?" I'm going to say, "waffles!" and she'll say, "We were discussing what color to paint the living room" and I'll say, "I know that! And waffles is my protest vote!"

Or he thinks McCain is a great American and didn't deserve Trump's ridiculous criticism of not being captured.

[aygart]

I understood that from your first comment.

I disagree, Bernie was a movement, you don't usually have that in primaries.

The Bernie movement people are crazy enough to actually not vote for her.