US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[zale]

Those millions are not all D's. I can guarantee you after this election many more will be D's because of Trumps rhetoric. That will make it harder for R's to get elected.

Are you seriously comparing a million disenfranchised Republicans to ELEVEN million guaranteed Democrats?

At the end of the day, no matter how badly Trump performs, 40% or so of this country will remain Republican. Swing voters might be angry and elect a Democrat in 2020, but by 2024 all will be forgotten. Eleven million new Democrats will end the Republican party for good.

[zale]

Those millions are not all D's.

Sorry not all. Only 99.999%

[ExGingi]

Are you seriously comparing a million disenfranchised Republicans to ELEVEN million guaranteed Democrats?

At the end of the day, no matter how badly Trump performs, 40% or so of this country will remain Republican. Swing voters might be angry and elect a Democrat in 2020, but by 2024 all will be forgotten. Eleven million new Democrats will end the Republican party for good.

That might not be such a bad outcome, maybe we get something fresh like Evan McMullin.

[Sport]

To those who are asking when he lost my vote, I just want to clarify that if you want to debate whether or not I was legitimately turned off, it's not up for debate because it's not an objective fact, it's just my personal, subjective reaction. You don't have to have the same reaction.

But if you are sincerely asking, then I would say that it probably happened during the debates with these two sentences: "You'd be in jail," and "I'll keep you in suspense." Again, it's just my personal reaction, but I found that unacceptable and worthy of being actively voted against.

For me it was well before that. Don't recall which primary debate it was but the one where he made lude references was when he lost any chance of my vote- not thay it matters here in NY.

[JTZ]

Are you seriously comparing a million disenfranchised Republicans to ELEVEN million guaranteed Democrats?

Big assumption on your part.

[ExGingi]

One post per vote?

ALOL (and that's my second post for 0 votes!)

[Toasted]

Nice try but the answer is the same. 

I'll keep trying. If you had the choice to shoot hitler or stalin would you abstain?

[JTZ]

I'll keep trying. If you had the choice to shoot hitler or stalin would you abstain?

Both. 

[aygart]

To @Dan and the other undecideds. I just wanted to share the following personal thoughts on the eve of the election. I will probably regret posting this but here goes.

I was undecided for a long time too. But Trump helped me decide. I can't pinpoint at what moment it really crystalized for me but there came a point when I realized that as the GOP candidate, which I view as the lesser of two evils in America right now (R vs D), he didn't even have to earn my vote. All he had to do was NOT lose my vote.

But he did. Over and over. And I came to a point where I had to say "ad kan."

Does that mean that Hillary earned my vote? Not really. But DJT not only "earned" that I should not vote for him but that I should actively vote to stop him, which practically speaking means a vote for HRC. (Add to that the fact that I live in a swing state, the responsibility is even more clear.)

Throughout history, G-d has used wackos and weirdos and all sorts of deeply defective people as heads of state. Sometimes it even comes out good for the Jews, as in the case of DJT's forerunner, the tipish with the beauty contests, otherwise known as Achashverosh. But you know the difference? These wackos were kings, which means they inherited their title (or won it in battle.) They weren't democratically elected.

So, do I think that G-d can use a wacko like DJT for good? Yes, I do. But that is different than using my free choice to take part in his election. Should DJT become POTUS that is divine providence. However, my vote is my free choice.

The problem fit me is that there is no choice on the ballot which did not earn for me to vote against them

[Freddie]

See, the funny thing about legalizing all those millions of illegals is that you assume that they are liberals. They're not. They have skin in the game so they promise to vote D as a practical matter. But if they really do all become voters (and you can only make them citizens once) then the D's have nothing to string them along with anymore and you're looking at millions of pro-life, pro-religion, pro-family, pro-traditional values voters who will either go R or stay D and shove the latter's platform drastically to the right.

[Toasted]

Both. 

You have only one bullet  .
(and you're not this guy.)

[JTZ]

...you're looking at millions of pro-life, pro-religion, pro-family, pro-traditional values voters who will either go R or stay D and shove the latter's platform drastically to the right.

So there are not all murders and rapist? 

[Freddie]

So there are not all murders and rapist? 

If you want to really understand where these people stand as a voting block (once you remove the amnesty carrot that the D's are dangling in front of them) then please go find out what the abortion laws are in Mexico. It can be googled.

A few million practicing Catholics will change the political landscape, but not the way most think it will.

[TimT]

Big assumption on your part.

La Raza is very busy right about now.

[zale]

See, the funny thing about legalizing all those millions of illegals is that you assume that they are liberals. They're not. They have skin in the game so they promise to vote D as a practical matter. But if they really do all become voters (and you can only make them citizens once) then the D's have nothing to string them along with anymore and you're looking at millions of pro-life, pro-religion, pro-family, pro-traditional values voters who will either go R or stay D and shove the latter's platform drastically to the right.

Freddie, this is cognitive dissonance of the highest order.

The vast majority of these immigrants are uneducated and will remain poor. They will rely on government handouts which the Democrats will be more than happy to shower them with. Free healthcare, free food and more.

What happened to all those super-religious Blacks who turned out in droves for Obama, despite Obama's clear pro-abortion stance? Don't Blacks attend packed churches on Sunday singing and dancing and delivering speeches about trust and faith in G-D?

This goes both ways. Why are hardcore Evangelists voting Trump?

Party and pocket goes before faith. Hands down. To believe otherwise is akin to believing that the sky is green and the grass is blue.

[Sammy82]

See, the funny thing about legalizing all those millions of illegals is that you assume that they are liberals. They're not. They have skin in the game so they promise to vote D as a practical matter. But if they really do all become voters (and you can only make them citizens once) then the D's have nothing to string them along with anymore and you're looking at millions of pro-life, pro-religion, pro-family, pro-traditional values voters who will either go R or stay D and shove the latter's platform drastically to the right.

Um, how about what the D's have always brought to low-income people? Free housing, free health insurance, free food, free cell-phone, etc. And don't tell me that these illegals are millionaires.

[Yammer]

Are you seriously comparing a million disenfranchised Republicans to ELEVEN million guaranteed Democrats?

At the end of the day, no matter how badly Trump performs, 40% or so of this country will remain Republican. Swing voters might be angry and elect a Democrat in 2020, but by 2024 all will be forgotten. Eleven million new Democrats will end the Republican party for good.

Depending on what kind of President, Clinton ( or Trump) will be. 2020 will definitely depend on that alone.

Big assumption on your part.

Minorities have always gone D. Even the Orthodox vote has only started going R after 60+ years. And more for the national elections not the local ones.

[JTZ]

If you want to really understand where these people stand as a voting block (once you remove the amnesty carrot that the D's are dangling in front of them) then please go find out what the abortion laws are in Mexico. It can be googled.

A few million practicing Catholics will change the political landscape, but not the way most think it will.

I don't need Google but I am sure it will enlighten others.

[Sport]

See, the funny thing about legalizing all those millions of illegals is that you assume that they are liberals. They're not. They have skin in the game so they promise to vote D as a practical matter. But if they really do all become voters (and you can only make them citizens once) then the D's have nothing to string them along with anymore and you're looking at millions of pro-life, pro-religion, pro-family, pro-traditional values voters who will either go R or stay D and shove the latter's platform drastically to the right.

And that is why they will never come up with a comprehensive immigration plan.

[Toasted]

School choice should be an important issue. That hasn't been discussed much here.