US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[sky121]

"My 4-year old nephew told me Donald Duck won the election. I think he might be right."

[shulem92]

"My 4-year old nephew told me Donald Duck won the election. I think he might be right."

Isn't there a thread for that? "What kids say"

[aygart]

The Clinton strategy of degrading and dismissing the FBI as a political organization worked.

It's amazing how competent and powerful the Hillary and democratic machine is.

Just makes me more confident her abilities

Oh c'mon. Y'all want some goody two shoes tzulnik like lambpost to run the show?

I want someone who knows how to make moves and get ahead in life. Once her personal success is aligned with the job we should be good to go.
I would probably want her leading a company...

So what is your opinion now on Trump's competence? Against all odds he won a very decisive victory with a map winning states in which no other R would have come close. He did not bother to try and convince those in states he would win or lose anyhow and realized that he could afford to lose the conservative establishment since their spher of influence is almost only in solid states anyhow. By doing that he was able to connect with those in states which mattered capturing the highest union support for an R in many years.

[Yehuda57]

Or the Rs in those states who don't bother would now vote.

I voted McMullin in NY. If my vote counted, it would have been a much, much tougher decision. Even though I was #neverTrump, I don't know if I could have ever actually voted for Clinton.

[EJB]

So what is your opinion now on Trump's competence? Against all odds he won a very decisive victory with a map winning states in which no other R would have come close.

No one knows that no other R would have won or come close. Clinton was an extremely weak candidate, and trump did well. That doesn't mean another strong R candidate wouldn't have done as well in WI or MI. In exit polls (which aren't that valuable to predict winners but are valuable in evaluating voter sentiment) the outcome was that voters wanted "change," which favors the challenging party.

And his victory wasn't "huge" or "decisive" IMO. He outperformed what peopel expected from him by a large margin, but he still lost the popular vote and won a number of the swing states by well under 1 percent.

[aygart]

What are everyone's thoughts on what the map would have looked like wtih other R candidates. I will start with Kasich.

[David Smith]

What are everyone's thoughts on what the map would have looked like wtih other R candidates. I will start with Kasich.

98% accurate.

[skyguy918]

No one knows that no other R would have won or come close. Clinton was an extremely weak candidate, and trump did well. That doesn't mean another strong R candidate wouldn't have done as well in WI or MI. In exit polls (which aren't that valuable to predict winners but are valuable in evaluating voter sentiment) the outcome was that voters wanted "change," which favors the challenging party.

And his victory wasn't "huge" or "decisive" IMO. He outperformed what peopel expected from him by a large margin, but he still lost the popular vote and won a number of the swing states by well under 1 percent.

My take is that he won by flipping the rust belt, which means he won because he was perceived to be better for jobs/economy. I don't think that perception was deserved, but which R would have had the same advantage?

[yuneeq]

No one knows that no other R would have won or come close. Clinton was an extremely weak candidate, and trump did well. That doesn't mean another strong R candidate wouldn't have done as well in WI or MI. In exit polls (which aren't that valuable to predict winners but are valuable in evaluating voter sentiment) the outcome was that voters wanted "change," which favors the challenging party.

And his victory wasn't "huge" or "decisive" IMO. He outperformed what peopel expected from him by a large margin, but he still lost the popular vote and won a number of the swing states by well under 1 percent.

I always believed and still believe that Trump would poll better than the other R's.
The fact that people wanted change is proof that Trump would perform better than the same 'ol establishment R's that the GOP has been churning out every election.

[zale]

He is already getting to work...

[aygart]

No one knows that no other R would have won or come close. Clinton was an extremely weak candidate, and trump did well. That doesn't mean another strong R candidate wouldn't have done as well in WI or MI. In exit polls (which aren't that valuable to predict winners but are valuable in evaluating voter sentiment) the outcome was that voters wanted "change," which favors the challenging party.

And his victory wasn't "huge" or "decisive" IMO. He outperformed what peopel expected from him by a large margin, but he still lost the popular vote and won a number of the swing states by well under 1 percent.

It was decisive in the way it needed to be for him to win. He could have lost some of them and still won. Which states could a R have won to do better? This is as close to an electoral landslide as you will get today. If CA, NY, NJ, OR, WA, CT, MA, VT, MD, IL can be called for Dems before election day all that is left are CO, NM, MN, and VA.

[skyguy918]

It was decisive in the way it needed to be for him to win. He could have lost some of them and still won. Which states could a R have won to do better? This is as close to an electoral landslide as you will get today. If CA, NY, NJ, OR, WA, CT, MA, VT, MD, IL can be called for Dems before election day all that is left are CO, NM, MN, and VA.

And NE.

[ExGingi]

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/peter-thiel-perfectly-summed-up-donald-trump-in-one-paragraph.html

[aygart]

No one knows that no other R would have won or come close. Clinton was an extremely weak candidate, and trump did well. That doesn't mean another strong R candidate wouldn't have done as well in WI or MI. In exit polls (which aren't that valuable to predict winners but are valuable in evaluating voter sentiment) the outcome was that voters wanted "change," which favors the challenging party.

And his victory wasn't "huge" or "decisive" IMO. He outperformed what peopel expected from him by a large margin, but he still lost the popular vote and won a number of the swing states by well under 1 percent.

People vote change because they are convinced that change is needed. None of the other Rs could come close to his level of union vote.

[yuneeq]

Michael Moore was on the money.

"I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”
Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.
...
And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November."

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

[skyguy918]

He is already getting to work...

Interesting to note that almost all the counties bordering Mexico, including those in Texas, were blue (and have been for least a few elections).

[aygart]

Who was one of the most correct people in this election? Michael Moore believe it or not.

[aygart]

Interesting to note that almost all the counties bordering Mexico, including those in Texas, were blue (and have been for least a few elections).

until they have voter ID laws......

[Luvtotravel]

stream is finally live for concession speech

[skyguy918]

until they have voter ID laws......

Just in case you're serious, they're mostly way too blue for that to seriously be in play.