US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

Self-dealing isn't necessarily corruption, it could be carelessness.

Don't rush to conclusions unless you know the details.

But the liberal media said it is so it must be that way.

[aygart]

President-elect Donald Trump should shut down his personal Twitter account, American voters say 59 - 35 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

While they have mixed views on his personal qualities, American voters say 59 - 37 percent that they are "optimistic about the next four years with Donald Trump as president," the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.

Trump will be a "great" president, 17 percent of voters say; 32 percent say he will be a "good" president; 17 percent say he will be "not so good" and 26 percent say he will be "bad."

Trump's policies will help the nation's economy, 52 percent of voters say; 31 percent say his policies will hurt the economy and 11 percent say they will make no difference.

His policies will help their personal financial situation, 40 percent of voters say, while 23 percent say they will hurt and 34 percent say his policies will make no difference.

Looking at Trump's personal qualities, American voters say:
52 - 42 percent that he is not honest;
56 - 38 percent that he has good leadership skills;
51 - 45 percent that he cares about average Americans;
57 - 38 percent that he is not level-headed;
74 - 23 percent that he is a strong person;
74 - 21 percent that he is intelligent.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2405

And where did they have the election?

[Super Speed]

Can we change the title of this thread to "2016 We've Picked Our Poison but How Poisonous Will he Be?"?

No because he's not poison and just because he isn't black doesn't mean you can or should hate on him. He's being our next president sit back and relax.

[good sam]

They admitted doing it in the past.
Why didn't they admit in all those years?

Self-dealing isn't corruption? Gimme a break.

Are you you small-minded? Or hypnotized?

[Dawie]

Self-dealing isn't necessarily corruption, it could be carelessness.

Don't rush to conclusions unless you know the details. I didn't look at any of the foundations filings, but they should all be public record (accessible through multiple sites that list charity filings). If a foundations spend several million in a year, and mistakenly wrote a $20,000 that is determined to be self-dealing, it could be less than 1% of the foundation's expenditures, and could be a mistake. It is still illegal, but it might not be egregious.

I highly doubt DJT would deliberately write a $20,000 check out of the foundation which he knew in advance would be considered self-dealing, as that could jeopardize the foundations entire tax status.

i dont believe it's carelessness, i think it's using the tax code a bit aggressively.
Look at the cases they claim are self dealing, Buying his portrait at a charity auction, he could claim it was an investment and might even get away with it in tax court (the line about the auditor laughing is silly, because at the end oth the day it ends up in tax court which is interpreted a little differently then a biased auditor)
the common thread in all the cases they brought, was his flawed rational that it's all charity related so i can pay with my foundation. lots of foundations are treated like this
Except now as president he's clearly held to a higher standard (not a bad thing)

[jj1000]

Fascinating

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/#4b360fc2f50f

[TimT]

Yup. Read it earlier this morning. Interesting

[Dawie]

Yup. Read it earlier this morning. Interesting

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[aygart]

[Moshe123]

Fascinating

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/#4b360fc2f50f

Very good piece

[Moshe123]

The Trump NYT thing is going pretty well so far.

[yuneeq]

I was taking all and any bets and only had a nibble. No one wanted to put up. 

No kidding, you were offering odds way, way, below market rate.
Why would anyone bet with someone trying to advantage of others?

[elit]

Fascinating

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/#4b360fc2f50f

Was coming to post. Great read.

[JTZ]

Why would anyone bet with someone trying to advantage of others?

You got some nerve saying that to me.

[yuneeq]

You got some nerve saying that to me.

Isn't that the truth though?
When people are offering 4:1 why would you offer 1:1?
If you were confident Trump would win, would you take bets at 1:1 or would you go to betting sites to get better odds?

[JTZ]

Isn't that the truth though?

I have done a ton deals with members here including bets. Find one that thinks I took advantage of them. I will bet most of them felt I was more than fair. The only person that was thinking about betting in this case the proceeds would have went to charity. Explain how that is taking advantage of someone.

[aygart]

[Dan]

I have done a ton deals with members here including bets. Find one that thinks I took advantage of them. I will bet most of them felt I was more than fair. The only person that was thinking about betting in this case the proceeds would have went to charity. Explain how that is taking advantage of someone.

+1

[yuneeq]

I have done a ton deals with members here including bets. Find one that thinks I took advantage of them. I will bet most of them felt I was more than fair. The only person that was thinking about betting in this case the proceeds would have went to charity. Explain how that is taking advantage of someone.

I think in  general you have been fair and very generous, but in this case it is not true.

You either wanted to take advantage of someone or you're tripping over yourself trying justify why you shouldn't eat more crow. Either way, I think it's fair for you to stop claiming that no one wanted to make a fair bet with you.

[JTZ]

I think in  general you have been fair and very generous, but in this case it is not true.

You have a lot to learn. These are gentleman/put up or shut up type of bets. They are not to make money. It is for bragging or like JJ would call CROW rights. If someone did what to bet serious money on the election I would have offered to put the bet in for them without making one cent.