Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3824611 times)

aygart · « **Reply #8620 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:22:54 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on November 27, 2016, 05:19:27 PM

Waiting for a legal team has never stopped him from lying before:

I was unclear but meant the source quoted by Snopes.

aradisc · « **Reply #8621 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:27:05 PM »

Quote from: aygart on November 27, 2016, 05:22:54 PM

I was unclear but meant the source quoted by Snopes.

So random guy on twitter makes a very serious allegation, provides no proof, it bounces around echo chambers, and the president-elect of the United States cites it as true? That's dangerous in itself regardless of the actual content of the allegation.

yuneeq · « **Reply #8622 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:31:35 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 27, 2016, 05:22:32 PM

So you equate whining by the losers with the president elect still just making things up?

The losing whiners started this nonsense by knowingly making up lies.
Trump might be lying but there truth in the fact that there is plenty of room for illegals to vote if they decided to.

aygart · « **Reply #8623 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:33:30 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on November 27, 2016, 05:27:05 PM

So random guy on twitter makes a very serious allegation, provides no proof, it bounces around echo chambers, and the president-elect of the United States cites it as true? That's dangerous in itself regardless of the actual content of the allegation.

True the Vote is more than a random guy on twitter.

JTZ · « **Reply #8624 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:34:09 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on November 27, 2016, 05:31:35 PM

The losing whiners started by knowingly making up lies.
Trump might be lying but there truth in the fact that there is plenty of room for illegals to vote if they decided to.

I don't see how claiming HRC won the popular vote is whining, it is a fact.

jsk173 · « **Reply #8625 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:35:51 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 27, 2016, 05:34:09 PM

I don't see how claiming HRC won the popular vote is whining, it is a fact.

No, it isn't, since there's no such thing as the "popular vote."

Some states had governor and/or Senate races in 2016 while others didn't, which affected turnout in various states. Texas, for example, had no governor or Senate race, so a lot of voters stayed home, knowing Trump was going to win Texas anyway.

yuneeq · « **Reply #8626 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:38:05 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 27, 2016, 05:34:09 PM

I don't see how claiming HRC won the popular vote is whining, it is a fact.

Fact: There is no such thing as a popular vote.
Fact: Asking for a recount in places like PA and claiming that the election could be rigged there is a bunch of lies.
Fact: Claiming that you believe in the democratic process and then heavily backtracking is a big lie.

aygart · « **Reply #8627 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:38:34 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 27, 2016, 05:34:09 PM

I don't see how claiming HRC won the popular vote is whining, it is a fact.

Just because something is a fact does not make it relevant and therefore to bring it up is whining. They both played the game with the current rules and she lost. There is no way of knowing how it would have turned out had the rules been different from the start.

JTZ · « **Reply #8628 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:40:44 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on November 27, 2016, 05:38:05 PM

Fact: There is no such thing as a popular vote.

Maybe you should let Trump know this since he claims he won it.

Also if you believe their is no popular vote would like to put some money on who won it?

aradisc · « **Reply #8629 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:41:15 PM »

Quote from: jsk173 on November 27, 2016, 05:35:51 PM

No, it isn't, since there's no such thing as the "popular vote."

This is a very strange argument. True, the electoral college is what ultimately decides the presidency, and Trump won that. But the popular vote is a statistic that has been tracked and analyzed for every presidential election, even if it's not determinative.

Quote from: jsk173 on November 27, 2016, 05:35:51 PM

Some states had governor and/or Senate races in 2016 while others didn't, which affected turnout in various states.

This is true of every single election. Nothing special about 2016.

aygart · « **Reply #8630 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:42:31 PM »

Quote from: JTZ on November 27, 2016, 05:40:44 PM

Maybe you should let Trump know this since he claims he won it.

Also if you believe their is no popular vote would like to put some money on who won it?

All procedural arguments are insincere.

aygart · « **Reply #8631 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:43:07 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on November 27, 2016, 05:41:15 PM

This is a very strange argument. True, the electoral college is what ultimately decides the presidency, and Trump won that. But the popular vote is a statistic that has been tracked and analyzed for every presidential election, even if it's not determinative.

This is true of every single election. Nothing special about 2016.

What they mean is that it is an irrelevant statistic.

jsk173 · « **Reply #8632 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:43:31 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on November 27, 2016, 05:41:15 PM

This is a very strange argument. True, the electoral college is what ultimately decides the presidency, and Trump won that. But the popular vote is a statistic that has been tracked and analyzed for every presidential election, even if it's not determinative.

A lot of irrelevant statistics are tracked.

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This is true of every single election. Nothing special about 2016.

State-by-state elections haven't been massively polarized for hundreds of years. It's a relatively new phenomenon.

The only time the popular vote would matter is if the rules explicitly said it mattered. Otherwise, it's a phony-baloney argument made by losers.

aradisc · « **Reply #8633 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:59:15 PM »

Quote from: jsk173 on November 27, 2016, 05:43:31 PM

The only time the popular vote would matter is if the rules explicitly said it mattered. Otherwise, it's a phony-baloney argument made by losers.

I agree that it is irrelevant for deciding the office of the presidency. But it does have use in understanding the electorate. For example, Trump will win the electoral college 306-232, 57%-43%, a 14 point margin. Meanwhile, Clinton is winning the popular vote 48.2% to 46.5%. Which tells us more about the overall views of Americans?

Again, I am not contesting the election result, or suggesting that anything improper happened. I think the recounts are a waste of time and money.

jsk173 · « **Reply #8634 on:** November 27, 2016, 06:01:04 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on November 27, 2016, 05:59:15 PM

I agree that it is irrelevant for deciding the office of the presidency. But it does have use in understanding the electorate. For example, Trump will win the electoral college 306-232, 57%-43%, a 14 point margin. Meanwhile, Clinton is winning the popular vote 48.2% to 46.6%. Which tells us more about the overall views of Americans?

It's a piddly 1.6-point difference, in an election in which there were no GOP Senate candidates on the ballot in California and no governor or Senate race in Texas.

aygart · « **Reply #8635 on:** November 27, 2016, 06:01:42 PM »

Quote from: aradisc on November 27, 2016, 05:59:15 PM

Which tells us more about the overall views of Americans?

Very little since it is at least partially a result of campaign strategy.

yuneeq · « **Reply #8636 on:** November 27, 2016, 06:18:06 PM »

Quote from: aygart on November 27, 2016, 06:01:42 PM

Very little since it is at least partially a result of campaign strategy.

What does it tell us that Hillary won the Black vote or the Millenials vote or that Trump won the working white vote?
Absolutely nothing, because that's not how the winner of the elections is determined.

aygart · « **Reply #8637 on:** November 27, 2016, 06:20:40 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on November 27, 2016, 06:18:06 PM

What does it tell us that Hillary won the Black vote or the Millenials vote or that Trump won the working white vote?
Absolutely nothing, because that's not how the winner of the elections is determined.

It does tell us a lot that Hillary did not win some demographics by the expected margins

Super Speed · « **Reply #8638 on:** November 27, 2016, 08:28:44 PM »

Quote from: aygart on November 27, 2016, 05:15:58 PM

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html

Is this even true?

Moshe123 · « **Reply #8639 on:** November 27, 2016, 08:30:04 PM »

Trump is totally losing it.

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