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Trump walks in a room.

1. Moshe123 shoots at him because he is pure evil, 2. ilherman+hachover jump in front of the bullets because Trump is our savior. 3. aygart tackles Moshe123 because Trump is better than HRC, 4. but Baruch can't stand Trump so he tells aygart he's crazy and Trump is a madman. 5. ExGingi would like to point out that who cares what he is, all that matters is the supreme court nominations. 6. Dan and others aren't really sure how this makes them feel plus they don't really want to drink poison. 7. Spoiler alert: Moshe123's gun was empty, it was just a blank.

And Freddie is in the back of the room just cooking his cholent. Until he announces that there are TWO menu choices, Pareve Cholent or Vegetable Lasagna. While etech0 figured out that they are both poisoned.


Repeat x100.

And then Hilary walks into the room with the most confidence a candidate has had in recent history. She is so confident that she eats both the Pareve Cholent and Vegetable Lasagna. Everyone is the room is aghast, they don't know how this happened, could it be Comey is behind this poisoning or was it that her Obamacare premiums were to high to get her the help she needed.

Everyone stared as she choked and was cast into oblivion on November, 8, 2016 the last day she was heard from in the public eye.

Moshe123, ilherman, hachover, Baruch, ExGingi, Dan, Freddie, etech0, and the rest of America are in total shock and hope that so long as Trump doesn't eat any Pareve Cholent and Vegetable Lasagna and stays true to his supreme court nominees this may be the greatest thing to happen since the CSR and GC's.

But remember this may be the beginning of the end...

P.S. Thanks to cognitive dissonance aygart, Michael Moore, and Scott Adams knew the whole time that Trump could win, unfortunately for JTZ he may be off DDF for the next 4 years due to his mandatory 3 times daily consumption of CROW!

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Sub notes:

Nov 8 : Time to edit the wiki. Biggest upset in American History according to Michael Isikoff.


http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57647.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump?lang=en
http://blog.dilbert.com/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/
All Political Ads - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvuOH0oJFwElBgRKz-eMlLw

As things turns out, the most prescient view on this election was that of Michael Moore! Though Scott Adams is also claiming a high view level of prescience.


Poll

Who are you voting for?

Clinton
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Trump
67 (57.3%)
Johnson
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Other (Write in)
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I don't vote in general and won't be voting this year
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I do vote in general, but won't be this year
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Total Members Voted: 117

Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread  (Read 4466493 times)

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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9560 on: January 05, 2017, 02:52:29 PM »
Yup. Medicaid is literally an incentive to remain in a poverty level income bracket.
Or take certain legal steps in order to qualify.

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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9561 on: January 05, 2017, 02:57:25 PM »
Until someone needs a doctor who didn't participate

That's a bigger problem with paid Obama Care plans than Medicaid

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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9562 on: January 05, 2017, 03:32:11 PM »
Why can't people make their own decisions?
I am going into all the pros and cons about the ACA. The positives outweigh the negatives IMHO.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9563 on: January 05, 2017, 03:42:24 PM »
I am going into all the pros and cons about the ACA. The positives outweigh the negatives IMHO.
Care to put all the pros and cons in two columns so we can all objectively weigh them?
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9564 on: January 05, 2017, 03:43:00 PM »
That's a bigger problem with paid Obama Care plans than Medicaid
How so?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9565 on: January 05, 2017, 03:49:08 PM »
Care to put all the pros and cons in two columns so we can all objectively weigh them?
Sure go ahead. For the positive put millions that have health insurance now that never did before. There will be more than enough of you to come up with the negatives.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9566 on: January 05, 2017, 03:51:12 PM »
That's a bigger problem with paid Obama Care plans than Medicaid
That might be very subjective. IINM the big medical office in Crown Heights doesn't accept any Exchange plan other than Fidelis, while they do accept most Medicaid plans.

Oxford/UHC who were accurately pricing their offering much higher than all the newcomers, came out with a new Metro network (which is very limited) in order to compete on price.

While far from perfect, I think the 2-50 group health insurance business was functioning decently in NY prior to ACA. I would have adopted that model nationwide with the following modifications:
  • Make it available to individuals only, and disallow it as a non-taxable business perk (or make it an individual choice/purchase, that can be paid by payroll deduction, but not have the business involved in the coverage choice), while allowing full top-line deduction for all taxpayers (why should businesses have to deal with something like this? let every business concentrate at what they're best at).
  • Encourage more "catastrophic" plans and make them HSA compatible.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9567 on: January 05, 2017, 03:52:01 PM »
Sure go ahead. For the positive put millions that have health insurance now that never did before. There will be more than enough of you to come up with the negatives.
Is that your only positive?

So you have millions that can ostensibly sleep better at night? That's it?

Please take some time to make this serious. Put up a spreadsheet, or a two column document listing the Pros and Cons.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9568 on: January 05, 2017, 03:52:52 PM »
How so?

As Ex notes, it is anecdotal based on my surroundings.

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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9569 on: January 05, 2017, 03:56:25 PM »
As Ex notes, it is anecdotal based on my surroundings.
Is that my abbreviation? I thought EG would be more appropriate/descriptive  ;)

Is there a thread or Wiki for abbreviated DDF names (such as CM, CV, CBC, etc.?)
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9570 on: January 05, 2017, 04:03:29 PM »
Is that your only positive?

So you have millions that can ostensibly sleep better at night? That's it?

Please take some time to make this serious. Put up a spreadsheet, or a two column document listing the Pros and Cons.
I am dead serious (no pun intended). We don't know the long term benefits. They could turn out to be positive or negatives.
Let me ask you this. If you had the power to get rid of Social Security would you?
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9571 on: January 05, 2017, 04:14:40 PM »

Is there a thread or Wiki for abbreviated DDF names (such as CM, CV, CBC, etc.?)

It broke at SF

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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9572 on: January 05, 2017, 04:25:15 PM »
I am dead serious (no pun intended). We don't know the long term benefits. They could turn out to be positive or negatives.
That's an interesting way to phrase things.

No-one knows the future, but there is such thing as actuarial science. Let the actuaries chime in.

I am the first one to acknowledge that we had a broker system, but the approach applied was totally wrong (it did nothing to address the fundamental HEALTH or healthcare cost issues, as opposed to addressing HEALTH INSURANCE issues). If it were so good, why did it need to be rushed through with blatant lies, rather than properly structured and sold to the public? The reason is that IT WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL as a step towards Single Payer (which would have been much harder, if not impossible, to sell).

Let me ask you this. If you had the power to get rid of Social Security would you?
You mean the Third Rail of American Politics?

Not everything is black and white. When something is broken or malfunctioning, it doesn't necessarily need to be thrown away. A tweak or redesign can go a long way.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9573 on: January 05, 2017, 04:30:55 PM »
That's an interesting way to phrase things.
I have learned since I have been here.
Not everything is black and white. When something is broken or malfunctioning, it doesn't necessarily need to be thrown away. A tweak or redesign can go a long way.
Lets do that with ACA. Two of the biggest expenses Trump wants to keep so the rest should be doable.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9574 on: January 05, 2017, 04:38:10 PM »
I have learned since I have been here.
Been thinking about starting a thread of things I've learned on DDF.  ;)
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9575 on: January 05, 2017, 04:40:27 PM »
Been thinking about starting a thread of things I've learned on DDF.  ;)
Make it for non CC/MS related things you learned. I bet some of the comments will be enlightening.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9576 on: January 05, 2017, 04:43:26 PM »
Lets do that with ACA. Two of the biggest expenses Trump wants to keep so the rest should be doable.
ACA isn't broken or malfunctioning, it was designed to fail, and the sooner it's thrown out, the better.

Unfortunately for the Rs, it doesn't seem like they have a well thought out plan to replace it. They are failing miserably in Game Tactics (Ds were always better at them).

I would recommend to them putting together a committee of industry experts (including insurance, medical, etc.) to come up with proposals within 90 days. They should also hire some good experts at game theory, so that they have the right strategy in selling and implementing whatever is decided upon.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9577 on: January 05, 2017, 04:43:52 PM »
Make it for non CC/MS related things you learned. I bet some of the comments will be enlightening.
I thought those things are discussed in the open.

I, for one, learned something from this though the actual method is much easier than it seems based on the step by step description. The hardest part was deprograming what I've been doing for decades.
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9578 on: January 05, 2017, 04:45:46 PM »
I thought those things are discussed via PM in the open.
:)
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Re: 2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
« Reply #9579 on: January 05, 2017, 04:47:10 PM »
Make it for non CC/MS related things you learned. I bet some of the comments will be enlightening.
Let's start with something you recently learned:

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