US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[springles]

Which aspect/s of this do you consider to be hallucination, or is it all?

that he's doing any of those things. The only things there that you can really say he's done is the conservative judge and trade deals. And that's not exactly accurate either. I'm not going to say he hasn't done anything good but hard to say that he's making America a leader again. The bitter pill parable is just a way of pushing off judgement until it doesn't matter anymore. I'm all for going through rough times to get to good, but there is almost no evidence that this is happening.

[Yehuda57]

that he's doing any of those things. The only things there that you can really say he's done is the conservative judge and trade deals. And that's not exactly accurate either. I'm not going to say he hasn't done anything good but hard to say that he's making America a leader again. The bitter pill parable is just a way of pushing off judgement until it doesn't matter anymore. I'm all for going through rough times to get to good, but there is almost no evidence that this is happening.

Is just that the mainstream media doesn't report all the tax reform and better VA management that is happening by the billion.
/s

[aygart]

that he's doing any of those things. The only things there that you can really say he's done is the conservative judge and trade deals. And that's not exactly accurate either. I'm not going to say he hasn't done anything good but hard to say that he's making America a leader again. The bitter pill parable is just a way of pushing off judgement until it doesn't matter anymore. I'm all for going through rough times to get to good, but there is almost no evidence that this is happening.

These lists below are very overdone and sometimes repetitive, but to say he has done nothing is ridculous.

Disclaimer: I do not agree with all aspects of this graphic, but the point is the same.

See this actual post for the list with links. This list is the better one.

Another similar list with the same disclaimer

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/63nxsn/update_i_was_tired_of_liberals_saying_trump_hasnt/

[good sam]

These lists below are very overdone and sometimes repetitive, but to say he has done nothing is ridculous.See this actual post for the list with links. This list is the better one.

Now where's the list of things he did which are bad for the country? Would be curious to see.

1. Tweets too much.
2. Announces policy on Twitter without consulting cabinet.
3. Chaos in the Whitehouse.
4. Fired too many people.
5. Seems chaotic.
6. Seems incompetent.
7. Seems unprofessional.
8. Didn't pass health care reform (Congress, not the president).
9. Provoked a nuclear holocaust that destroyed the world (didn't happen yet).

[Sport]

Now where's the list of things he did which are bad for the country? Would be curious to see.

1. Tweets too much.
2. Announces policy on Twitter without consulting cabinet.
3. Chaos in the Whitehouse.
4. Fired too many people.
5. Seems chaotic.
6. Seems incompetent.
7. Seems unprofessional.
8. Didn't pass health care reform (Congress, not the president).
9. Provoked a nuclear holocaust that destroyed the world (didn't happen yet).

Dont you get it!? thats all part of his master plan.
Bottom line is there are those that decided before his presidency that he was going to be the greatest, and all the evidence indicating otherwise won't change their mimds.
It's the same with 90% of politics.

[good sam]

Dont you get it!? thats all part of his master plan.
Bottom line is there are those that decided before his presidency that he was going to be the greatest, and all the evidence indicating otherwise won't change their mimds.
It's the same with 90% of politics.

OMG you took that list seriously? Now who's hallucinating?

Bottom line is there are those that decided before his presidency that he was going to be the WORST, and all the evidence indicating otherwise won't change their mimds.

[Sport]

Bottom line is there are those that decided before his presidency that he was going to be the WORST, and all the evidence indicating otherwise won't change their mimds.

I agree, like I said 90% of politics is such.
 However, I did have an unrealistic optimism that he may be able to bring a diffrent form of governing to Washington. But 6 months in he looks like he is in over his head.

[Yehuda57]

These lists below are very overdone and sometimes repetitive, but to say he has done nothing is ridculous.See this actual post for the list with links. This list is the better one.

Firstly, he didn't say "did nothing" but said "did any of those things, like tax reform. Secondly, I don't have time to debunk the vast majority of that list - but I suspect you could do an equal or even better job of it than me.

Suffice to say that beyond the repetition, many of the "good" things are objectively nothing burgers or even bad. Remember when people hated Executive Orders when Obama did them? Now we are boasting how many he's made, without saying anything of their content. *Trump* saying "Buy American - Hire American"? If The Onion printed that, you'd snicker and say it's too obvious a joke for it to be good satire.

There are things on the list I approve of, beyond the Gorsuch nomination. But the incompetent chaos, absolute insane foreign policy, and unending scandals are not even close to a worthwhile trade-off.

Now, the inability to get things done by a Republican majority Congress AND Senate, is not Trump's fault. The GOP is a disaster. (Perhaps seconded only by the  disaster that is the Dems) But when we said he has no political experience, and President is a political job, and he'd need that political competence to get things done, we were told that being an amazing businessman and outsider was better. He knows how to get things done. Turns out he has no clue how to get things done, or to paraphrase, "Who knew healthcare could be so complicated? [Besides bloody well everyone even tangentially interested in politics]"

[good sam]

But the incompetent chaos, absolute insane foreign policy, and unending scandals are not even close to a worthwhile trade-off.

So his record isn't actually bad, but you can't ignore his intangibles.

[Yehuda57]

So his record isn't actually bad, but you can't ignore his intangibles.

No, his record is BAD. The incompetence and chaos has very tangible and real world results. 

[good sam]

No, his record is BAD. The incompetence and chaos has very tangible and real world results.

Wait, I thought incompetent chaos was one thing.

But the incompetent chaos, absolute insane foreign policy, and unending scandals are not even close to a worthwhile trade-off.

[aygart]

Firstly, he didn't say "did nothing" but said "did any of those things, like tax reform. Secondly, I don't have time to debunk the vast majority of that list - but I suspect you could do an equal or even better job of it than me.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-news-you-didnt-hear-1496358236

Is that what he meant by

The only things there that you can really say he's done is the conservative judge and trade deals. And that's not exactly accurate either.

[good sam]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-news-you-didnt-hear-1496358236

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/every-terrifying-thing-that-donald-trump-has-done.html
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/9-jaw-dropping-things-donald-13417517

[aygart]

Looks like a parody account, but no difference who actually wrote it.

[Boruch999]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/every-terrifying-thing-that-donald-trump-has-done.html
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/9-jaw-dropping-things-donald-13417517

A clear majority of both lists is just nonsense or only bad if you are a progressive incapable of seeing a point of view other than your own. 

ETA:  I am highly unimpressed with Trump as President.  It's clear he lacks the discipline to keep himself from shooting himself in the foot (or chest) over and over again.

[MrKaplan]

Fast forward 8 years I'm voting for Ben Shapiro the guys a monster when facing the radical left. As seen here https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D350lKvVF7sE&ved=0ahUKEwiPpur1-rjVAhWh1IMKHUrZC3gQwqsBCEAwCA&usg=AFQjCNGh0t7AmTTsGPlvdnBGdJnH0Y4Exg

[aygart]

A clear majority of both lists is just nonsense or only bad if you are a progressive incapable of seeing a point of view other than your own. 

ETA:  I am highly unimpressed with Trump as President.  It's clear he lacks the discipline to keep himself from shooting himself in the foot (or chest) over and over again.

Of course. He was bringing those to show POSITIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

[good sam]

Of course. He was bringing those to show POSITIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

[Tuna Baygel]

A clear majority of both lists is just nonsense or only bad if you are a progressive incapable of seeing a point of view other than your own. 

ETA:  I am highly unimpressed with Trump as President.  It's clear he lacks the discipline to keep himself from shooting himself in the foot (or chest) over and over again.

What bothers me more

He really doesn't care for others. If he wants to tweet something, he doesn't care that his whole administration will get grilled and have to cover it up for him and make it sound normal

He is forever trying to clean house but is unsuccessful. He is like a super controlling CEO that can't understand why his company has such a high employee changeover rate. It all starts at the top, unless he gets his act together there will be constant chaos

I used to think he did everything with a chesbon, not anymore

[Boruch999]

I used to think he did everything with a chesbon, not anymore

You must be skipping your daily dose of Scott Adams.