US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[mordechain]

In order to make this statement you would have to know absolutely nothing about either of their judicial philosophies.

In order to make this statment, you would have to know nothing about history. Do you know where the term "Borked" came from? Ever wonder why Trump was able to get his administration appointments confirmed with 50 votes?

(Anyone sensing a pattern?)

1. Merrick Garland's judicial philosophy skews towards restraint, often infuriating liberals. (He most famously deferred to the bush administration denying rights to Guantanamo detainees.) He's a centrist who skews slightly left, and he's no activist judge. Neil Gorsuch leans further to the right than Garland does to the left, and both of them should have been confirmed easily.

2.Robert Bork was a hard right activist judge, who was solidly opposed from the center of his own party. His nomination failed with many Republican senators voting against him. (Some of those are still in the Senate!)

[Boruch999]

I found that even on topics which I am more liberal about Cenk missed the boat and did not really discuss the core of any issues at all but instead skirted around them to try and score points rather than explain positions.

+1
But that is modus operandi of progressives.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/left-and-right-differences/does-it-feel-good-or-does-it-do-good-left-vs-right-2

The problem is what appears to be the mass dumbing down of the American Intellect (certainly in part due to progressive opposition to public school reform.) More and more Americans are going to start identifying with Cenk's feel good arguments and less and less with Shapiro's do good arguments.

[aygart]

+1
But that is modus operandi of progressives.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/left-and-right-differences/does-it-feel-good-or-does-it-do-good-left-vs-right-2

The problem is what appears to be the mass dumbing down of the American Intellect (certainly in part due to progressive opposition to public school reform.) More and more Americans are going to start identifying with Cenk's feel good arguments and less and less with Shapiro's do good arguments.

So says the conservative.....

Each side of every argument feels they are the ones intellectually correct.

[aygart]

[aygart]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/clarence-thomas-legal-vision-is-becoming-a-trump-era-reality.html

[Yehuda57]

This debate was similar to the Cenk/Shapiro. Those agreeing with Miller think he schooled Acosta. Those agreeing with Acosta think Miller was given a sound beating by Acosta.

I tend to think Acosta was rude, didn't give Miller a chance to answer, and his argument was stupid (there is a legitimate argument to be made that doesn't involve poems or statues)

[aygart]

This debate was similar to the Cenk/Shapiro. Those agreeing with Miller think he schooled Acosta. Those agreeing with Acosta think Miller was given a sound beating by Acosta.

I tend to think Acosta was rude, didn't give Miller a chance to answer, and his argument was stupid (there is a legitimate argument to be made that doesn't involve poems or statues)

Who feels that Acosta gave a sound beating? I don't see that Acosta was like Cenk since he really made no argument at all.

[Yehuda57]

There's a tweet for everything

It's actually uncanny

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/270609412480192513

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It's actually uncanny

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/270609412480192513

I am not a Trump supporter in any which way, but to be fair he has to vacate the whitehouse so they can upgrade the A/C system.

[skyguy918]

I was really wondering what congress was thinking with their move on Russia.

They should be required to get some serious game theory training before being allowed to vote on anything related to foreign affairs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-30/putin-says-u-s-must-cut-755-russia-staff-in-sanctions-reprisal

For our resident game theory fanatic:
http://ncase.me/trust/

Absolutely phenomenal illustration of many important game theory concepts.

[zh cohen]

1. Merrick Garland's judicial philosophy skews towards restraint, often infuriating liberals. (He most famously deferred to the bush administration denying rights to Guantanamo detainees.) He's a centrist who skews slightly left, and he's no activist judge. Neil Gorsuch leans further to the right than Garland does to the left, and both of them should have been confirmed easily.

Again this is an understanding of their respective judicial philosophies that comes from reading only headlines (or vox.com)

2.Robert Bork was a hard right activist judge, who was solidly opposed from the center of his own party. His nomination failed with many Republican senators voting against him. (Some of those are still in the Senate!)

So you admit that it was  the Democrats who broke the the-partisan tradition of voting for or opposing Supreme Court Justices based on qualifications, not ideology?

P.S. Arlen Specter hasn't been in the Senate since 2010

[aygart]

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/why-professional-cuddling-is-booming-under-trump-w495042

[yuneeq]

The other day I spoke to the owner of a large American manufacturing company. He says that the company that makes his machinery told him their phone has been constantly ringing with new business since the day after the election. Companies feel more confident with Trump at the helm. Sometimes perception causes reality.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Sometimes perception causes reality.

It can also cause a major downturn when reality sets in.

[aygart]

It can also cause a major downturn when reality sets in.

The roll back of regulations causing this is reality and already occurring

[yuneeq]

It can also cause a major downturn when reality sets in.

If businesses are investing billions in infrastructure and R&D because they believe he is good for business, then the innovation and jobs that go along with it become the new reality. If the only gains were paper gains in the stock market and real estate it'd be like what you're saying.

[aygart]

If businesses are investing billions in infrastructure and R&D because they believe he is good for business, then the innovation and jobs that go along with it become the new reality. If the only gains were paper gains in the stock market and real estate it'd be like what you're saying.

there is definitely a danger to high expectations since if they don't pan out to the extent expected it can cause a downturn from businesses who overspent over unrealistic expectations. This is the fatal flaw in @JTZ setting goalposts where he does. Typically Republican presidents have come in with higher expectations for business than democrats. This causes the market to rise from when it becomes apparent that they will win. If those expectations are unrealistically high then the market will correct itself. On the other hand Democrat presidents have come in with an expectation of a poor business environment bringing the market down. When things are not as bad as expected it will go up..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/small-business-hiring-rises-in-july-1501770668

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dow-22k-and-the-trump-infamy-ecosystem-1501697057

[ChaimMoskowitz]

If businesses are investing billions in infrastructure and R&D because they believe he is good for business, then the innovation and jobs that go along with it become the new reality. If the only gains were paper gains in the stock market and real estate it'd be like what you're saying.

I have a friend who is with a major steel company. They have seen no increase in orders. I guess build America is on hold. That is reality not perception.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

This is the fatal flaw in @JTZ setting goalposts where he does. Typically Republican presidents have come in with higher expectations for business than democrats. This causes the market to rise from when it becomes apparent that they will win. If those expectations are unrealistically high then the market will correct itself. On the other hand Democrat presidents have come in with an expectation of a poor business environment bringing the market down. When things are not as bad as expected it will go up..

The flaw is thinking Republicans are good for business. How did that work out with the last republican president?

[aygart]

The flaw is thinking Republicans are good for business. How did that work out with the last republican president?

I think the bursting of the dotcom bubble was handled very well.