US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

...but officer that other guy was going faster than me. Why did you give me the ticket? 

See my edit.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

See my edit.

I don't care what the media thinks.

[aygart]

I don't care what the media thinks.

Did YOU expect Obama to condemn them then and make a fuss over it?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Did YOU expect Obama to condemn them then and make a fuss over it?

BO is history. What he did or didn't do has nothing to do with this.

[aygart]

BO is history. What he did or didn't do has nothing to do with this.

I didn't ask about what he did. I asked about what YOU did then.

Same goes for everyone else busy with this. Were you busy with this then too?

[Yammer]

Did YOU expect Obama to condemn them then and make a fuss over it?

That the media is slated left( how much I'll leave everyone to their opinion ) isn't news. That Trump can give a statement w/o condemning Neo Nazis and KKK still makes no sense.

Imagine Hamas making a peaceful rally and this happening... would you be happy with the initial statement?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I didn't ask about what he did. I asked about what YOU did then.

Don't remember useless past history.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Imagine Hamas making a peaceful rally and this happening... would you be happy with the initial statement?

Waiting for the double talk answer. 

[aygart]

That the media is slated left( how much I'll leave everyone to their opinion ) isn't news. That Trump can give a statement w/o condemning Neo Nazis and KKK still makes no sense.

Imagine Hamas making a peaceful rally and this happening... would you be happy with the initial statement?

I fully agree that he should have been more specific and it does concern me as I have written above. On the other hand the outrage is at best disingenuous and mostly hypocritical.

[aygart]

Don't remember useless past history.

It is less than 2 years ago. Then you accuse me of double talk. Own up to your inconsistencies.

[Yammer]

I didn't ask about what he did. I asked about what YOU did then.

Same goes for everyone else busy with this. Were you busy with this then too?

I don't remember that particular incident but George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin...you bet

[ChaimMoskowitz]

It is less than 2 years ago. Then you accuse me of double talk. Own up to your inconsistencies.

OK how about stating the question so I can understand it?

[aygart]

I don't remember that particular incident but George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin...you bet

But there were 2 violent KKK takes and Obama didn't condemn them? What does Martin have to do with this? The outrage has nothing to do with the nazis at the rally and all to do with undermining Trump.

[Yehuda57]

Did anyone call on Obama to denounce this?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/02/27/us/kkk-rally-in-anaheim-violence/index.html
Or this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/07/19/us/south-carolina-kkk-black-panther-rally/index.html
And the list goes on.

I am not discussing whether Obama was good about this or not since that is irrelevant. The point is more that then none of the self righteous media cared.

A black supremacist group killed someone in an act of domestic terrorism under Obama's watch and he was not asked about it?

We ripped Obama on his positions and statements on race. We ripped him on his position and statements on terrorism. And we ripped him on his ties to Rev Wright and other unsavory characters.

And we were right to do so.

It is right to come out against Trump now for his position and stance on racism and bigotry, and his effective defense and mainstreaming of the Alt Right and the KKK.

[aygart]

OK how about stating the question so I can understand it?

Were you equally upset when Obama did not condemn those two violent rallies which included stabbings?

[aygart]

A black supremacist group killed someone in an act of domestic terrorism under Obama's watch and he was not asked about it?

We ripped Obama on his positions and statements on race. We ripped him on his position and statements on terrorism. And we ripped him on his ties to Rev Wright and other unsavory characters.

And we were right to do so.

It is right to come out against Trump now for his position and stance on racism and bigotry, and his effective defense and mainstreaming of the Alt Right and the KKK.

No. KKK members stabbed counter protesters and Obama was silent.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Were you equally upset when Obama did not condemn those two violent rallies which included stabbings?

I didn't ever remember commenting of those two incidents one way or the other. I guess I should click on the links and see what you are talking about but first were they ever talked about here?

[zale]

This kind of moral equivalency is the type of thing we abhor when it's done by others against Israel and Jews.

The moral equivalency you just made is abhorrent in and of itself. Please don't compare BLM racist trash to Israel defending itself.

BLM as a grassroots movement is based on legitimate concerns and grievances.

No it's not. Trayvon Martin slammed a man's head into the ground and got shot and killed. Some people couldn't accept this and decided to exploit this incident as racism. Thus began BLM.

It is not a form of racist identity politics. True, BLM became a racist organization, but countless people who believe they are part of BLM mean to be part of #blm and not BLM Inc.

It is racist identity politics. They want special rights due to their skin color.

The white supremacists have no such grievances. They are purely and simply a hate group. You don't march with tiki torches and swastikas chanting "Jews will not replace us" because you're upset about illegal immigration or a Confederate monument coming down.

You don't burn down a town ("burn this bi$h down") because a criminal was shot and killed by a police officer in self defense.

You don't launch a pogrom on a Jewish neighborhood holding up banners that say "Hitler didn't finish the job" because a Jew accidentally ran over a child.

Would you like me to go on?

Same darn scum on both sides.

To compare Obama mentioning BLM to what trump did today is sickening and disgusting.

No, it's spot on, and Obama is worse. Whereas Obama legitimized and welcomed BLM, Trump openly condemned neo-Nazi hate groups.

To make like these are innocents who were just marching is to ignore American history.

They are hateful people, but they were innocent of any crime until ANTIFA showed up and started violence.

So yes, they were "just marching", and they had permits as well.

As mentioned, most of domestic terrorism is committed by white supremacists.

Where are these stats from?

Did Antifa come looking for a fight? Probably. But "he started it" is appropriate for fights over Lego blocks and crayons.

Seriously? Had ANTIFA not started the violence NONE of this would have happened. There would be no story.

The term "Alt Right" was coined by the Alt Right themselves. It was not made up by MSM or leftists. The Charlottesville "protest" was to unite the alt right, and was pinned on r/the_donald, and other alt right havens. The Alt Right was marching with the Nazis, under the same flags and banners. That s because the alt Right *is* the identity politics of white supremacists. Steve Banon himself called his site the home of the Alt Right. Banon is a senior adviser to Trump. Trump was hesitant to condemn and disavow white supremacists during his campaign, and Banon said it was because "the racist stuff didn't affect the polls."

This is complete garbage. When the term "alt-right" started making its way around the internet, many people did not know its origins and assumed it was a group of hardline Conservatives that would fight for Conservative causes. When it eventually came out that this term was coined by White Nationalists, some people dropped it and others [like Milo Yannoupolis] decided to adopt it as their own.

It's very clear that Steve Bannon's version of alt-right is the one that is unrelated to Nazism. Steve, disgusting pig that he is, is a major supporter of Israel.

This is no conspiracy theory stuff. This is Trump straight up defending the "good people" in the Alt Right, who are one and the same as the Nazi KKK. He is your president. You are defending him. You are defending a man who is mainstreaming people who want you dead.

This is a lie. Plain and simple. He did not defend or "mainstream" Nazis. I listened to what he said twice, and he simply never said any such thing.

[aygart]

I didn't ever remember commenting of those two incidents one way or the other. I guess I should click on the links and see what you are talking about but first were they ever talked about here?

Why didn't you comment then? You commented on this before it was being heavily discussed. Yours was the second one.

For a guy who "tells it like it is" and is so reactionary, direct and crass when calling out individuals and groups he takes issue with, Trump sure is slow, measured and vague when condemning actual Nazis.

Which Nazis do you want him to condemn? The ones who supported him?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Why didn't you comment then?

Because I don't even recall the incidents. Are you trying to insinuate that I support left wing hate groups?