US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aro123]

1. Everyone knew from day 1 he wouldn't deport 11 million immigrants. We all acknowledged that.

2. Seriously, you guys are turning because he refuses to round up the children?

If he deports the criminals and secures the border, I'm a happy man.

Maybe he can't deport them but this is giving them a pathway to citizenship.  He was the only Republican that said no to citizenship and that s why we voted for him.

[TimT]

Wow, if he lost the henche vote, what's left?

All those that want a president that'll reach across the aisle to get things done. Of course

[ShlockDoc]

I wanted the border secured, that's all.  The obvious trade was amnesty for border security.  But he's giving up the amnesty, and not getting border security.

Seriously, are there actually people out there who don't want border security?  Who think it is good that anyone willing to pay the cartel can get into the country?

Who think it is ok that we have the cartel operating our border, and killing anyone who crosses without paying their fees? And raping little girls along the way, just for funsies? 

I mean, I get the political class who will do anything to import more democrat voters, and I get the rich liberals who live in their little castles in their white neigborhoods who don't care anything as long as they import more democrat voters.  But normal people who actually think as a matter of policy that it's ok to have a noncontrolled border?   That I don't get.

FWIW, I'm fairly progressive and I don't understand the opposition to a border fence. It's ok for a country to have a border.  I think the emotional reaction is that the feeling during the elcetion was (and maybe it turned out to be correct) that he wasn't going to actually put up a fence but he was rather using it as a codeword to stir up anti-immigrant, anti-other sentiment. 

[henche]

FWIW, I'm fairly progressive and I don't understand the opposition to a border fence.  I think the emotional reaction is that the feeling was (and maybe it turned out to be correct) that he wasn't going to actually put up a fence but he was using it as a codeword to stir up anti-immigrant, anti-other sentiment.

Well, we thought you were using the fence to stir up anti-Trump sentiment by pretending that you thought he was racist, as you do with every single person who disagrees with you on anything under the sun.

 

[yakov116]

Well, we thought you were using the fence to stir up anti-Trump sentiment by pretending that you thought he was racist, as you do with every single person who disagrees with you on anything under the sun.

 

/gun smoking

[ShlockDoc]

Well, we thought you were using the fence to stir up anti-Trump sentiment by pretending that you thought he was racist, as you do with every single person who disagrees with you on anything under the sun.

I don't think he or all of his followers are racists.  I think he needs the support of racists and uses racial issues to build his popularity.  Obama used racial issues for his own gain too but wasn't on the KKK's side. 

[zh cohen]

1. Everyone knew from day 1 he wouldn't deport 11 million immigrants. We all acknowledged that.

2. Seriously, you guys are turning because he refuses to round up the children?

If he deports the criminals and secures the border, I'm a happy man.

No, people are turning because he is doing exactly what he attacked Marco Rubio for, except that he's not going to end up getting anything in return. At the best he'll get one year of border security funding in exchange for permanent amnesty.

The "deport 11 million" is a strawman argument and you know it. If E-verify and (permanent) border security is properly put in place and made manditory, there will be no incentive for illegal immigration and eventually then there can be a discussion about what to do about those that haven't gone back to their country of citizenship.

[zh cohen]

I wanted the border secured, that's all.  The obvious trade was amnesty for border security.  But he's giving up the amnesty, and not getting border security.

Seriously, are there actually people out there who don't want border security?  Who think it is good that anyone willing to pay the cartel can get into the country?

Who think it is ok that we have the cartel operating our border, and killing anyone who crosses without paying their fees? And raping little girls along the way, just for funsies? 

I mean, I get the political class who will do anything to import more democrat voters, and I get the rich liberals who live in their little castles in their white neigborhoods who don't care anything as long as they import more democrat voters.  But normal people who actually think as a matter of policy that it's ok to have a noncontrolled border?   That I don't get.

I don't think anyone thinks it is ok, but Democrats are not afraid to use something that we should all agree on (border security) as leverage to achieve their political goals. It's about time that Republicans grow a pair, and do the same with DACA.


Trump supporters thought he was  the guy to do that and that was pretty much the only reason to vote for him ("He fights"). What we all knew and they are now realizing is that Trump does whatever will get him attention and praise amongst his liberal NY friends and the media.

[henche]

I don't think anyone thinks it is ok, but Democrats are not afraid to use something that we should all agree on (border security) as leverage to achieve their political goals. It's about time that Republicans grow a pair, and do the same with DACA.


Trump supporters thought he was  the guy to do that and that was pretty much the only reason to vote for him ("He fights"). What we all knew and they are now realizing is that Trump does whatever will get him attention and praise amongst his liberal NY friends and the media.

Yah. He didn't want to be a president who would just be scandal and scandal and nothing gets done.  He was willing to sign any bill the GOP sent him,  but they too pathetic to pass anything. 

I don't think that absolved him at all of selling out the country and his voters, but I get what's pushing him

[aygart]

I have no issue with him bringing Dems to the table since he will not be able to pass anything R only. The big question is what the final agreement will be. We have yet to see what that is from any real source and Trump is claiming that there is no agreement at all at this time.

[aygart]

From the ultimate Trumpster

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/165334092961/i-explain-the-persuasion-techniques-president

[zh cohen]

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/908322023096582144

[yakov116]

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/908350304508432390

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Can you guys all hold off for a few minutes? I need to make some more popcorn!!! 

[Super Speed]

Can you guys all hold off for a few minutes? I need to make some more popcorn!!! 

Sure

[henche]

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/908350304508432390

Sounds about right

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Sure

What's up? Glad to see you pop in. Anything to add? 

[Yammer]

Does it make sense that he's just getting the Republicans nervous about working with d Ms that they get their act together?

Example: A new bill on health care?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Does it make sense that he's just getting the Republicans nervous about working with d Ms that they get their act together?

Example: A new bill on health care?

I would have to think he was a smart person then, NOT!!! 

[aygart]

Can you guys all hold off for a few minutes? I need to make some more popcorn!!! 

Until next Wednesday?