US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[davidrotts63]

So bullying is not a personal detail. If you say personal details don't matter you would think you are talking about all personal details, no?

IMO the way he talks to NK is entirely policy. What makes it personal?

[Yammer]

What are you saying??
Because Stalin was an animal, does that make Hitler not one??
Why does one's capabilities, or lack there of effect another's?

No I'm saying this and that Chutzpah is a double edged sword.

When ppl oppose a presidents policy they will always point to his character traits as a flaw, while the supporters will give excuses.

Until the flaw/action is of a magnitude that can no longer be excused.

Enter the world of Trump

Trump has been a rule breaker ever since he started his campaign. while some flaws/ actions would have definitely have buried his predecessors, he has touched a nerve with many ppl that feel he's standing up to something way bigger then his job. He's standing up to the untouchable ( Media/Govt corruption/FBI corruption etc.)

Additionally he never claimed ( of course he did but everyone knew who he was ) that he's a gentleman. The opposite. He ran on ripping up uh... everything.

I believe that this is the reason why he won't be challenged on his moral flaws.


ETA:

I may not have emphasized on his international way of dealing but it's in the same context

[davidrotts63]

Then we can talk about policies since he seems like a stand up guy.

No I'm saying this and that Chutzpah is a double edged sword.

Exactly why personally shouldn't be a key point.

[aygart]

So bullying is not a personal detail. If you say personal details don't matter you would think you are talking about all personal details, no?

Do you have a warehouse of straw men?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

IMO the way he talks to NK is entirely policy. What makes it personal?

Calling the leader of NK rocket man doesn't make it personal for him? Saying I have a bigger button isn't a form of bullying?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Do you have a warehouse of straw men?

Do you have a valid answer?

[ExGingi]

This is what's seems to be wrong with this country!

While this is going on:

Oh boy.

So now we are starting with tariff/trade wars? Why not just give the corporate tax reform some time to see if that will have the desired effect? Trade wars can counter the benefits of the tax bill!

People's attention is focused on this:

Follow the whole discussion, not pick one post.
130k payoff
Interview that she details the affair
Picture showing the two together
History of womanizing
Bragging about cheating of first wife
Shall I go on?

and other nonsense.

But maybe קלקלתנו זו היא תקנתנו, that while everyone is bothered with nonsense, the POTUS advances his agenda. Though in this specific case of tariff/trade wars, I fear it is the opposite and תקנתנו זו היא קלקלתנו.

[Yammer]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-trump-quiet-358243

"For about 48 hours this weekend, Trump kept an unusually low profile, making no public appearances and keeping his direct contact with lawmakers — especially Democrats — to a minimum. Instead, the president left the heavy lifting to his staff, temporarily suppressing his instinct to invite lawmakers to the White House to strike a grand bargain.



The hands-off strategy emerged after Trump met with top White House aides on Friday night. Frustrated with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who had been invited in for what wound up being an unproductive meeting earlier in the day, Trump and his team decided to call Democrats’ bluff, issuing a statement at 11:58 p.m. declaring that the president “will not negotiate the status of unlawful immigrants while Democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands.” House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell followed suit with similar statements.

For the rest of the weekend, Senate Democrats barely heard a word from Trump’s team, leaving them hanging while government agencies closed their doors.

In the end, the stand-back-and-watch approach paid off, putting pressure on Senate leaders to reach an agreement to open the government on their own — and delivering Trump a much-needed victory, according to half a dozen White House officials and advisers."

[Yammer]

Exactly why personally should be a key point.

You seem to agree with everything that I wrote.  Are we arguing??

[davidrotts63]

You seem to agree with everything that I wrote.  Are we arguing??

I fixed it, I intended to write, shouldn't be a key point.

[aygart]

Calling the leader of NK rocket man doesn't make it personal for him? Saying I have a bigger button isn't a form of bullying?

Not as an answer to him saying that he has a button

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Not as an answer to him saying that he has a button

So instead of bullying he is acting like children on the playground? That makes it a lot better.

[aygart]

Do you have a valid answer?

To what question? What he wrote or any one of your army of straw men?

ETA


I think I see what you are trying to do here. We already know that you can do this. You have been doing it for the entire thread.

[Yammer]

I fixed it, I intended to write, shouldn't be a key point.

It still don't see what you are saying differently. The point is that it hurts but ppl will continue to support him because of what he takin on.

Either way..let's not nitty gritty here.

See ya around...

[davidrotts63]

It still don't see what you are saying differently. The point is that it hurts but ppl will continue to support him because of what he takin on.

Either way..let's not nitty gritty here.

See ya around...

If that's the case we must agree

[aygart]

So instead of bullying he is acting like children on the playground? That makes it a lot better.

It makes it different.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

To what question? What he wrote or any one of your army of straw men?

If you are going to cry straw man every time without giving evidence of the fallacy that is classic straw man. You remind me of another member who will remain nameless that resorts to personal attacks when he has no valid response.

[avromie7]

So instead of bullying he is acting like children on the playground? That makes it a lot better.

That's his way of getting into Kim Jong Un's head. YOU may disagree with his strategy, but it's his diplomatic strategy and it seems to be working better than the previous administrations.

[davidrotts63]

That's his way of getting into Kim Jong Un's head. YOU may disagree with his strategy, but it's his diplomatic strategy and it seems to be working better than the previous administrations.

Seems like he has moved him the most any president moved any of the Kims

[ChaimMoskowitz]

That's his way of getting into Kim Jong Un's head. YOU may disagree with his strategy, but it's his diplomatic strategy and it seems to be working better than the previous administrations.

Not sure how you measure success but he has done more test last year than before. His program has made greater steps to delivering a nuke last year than ever before. Trumps policy is not to sit down and talk with them until they suspend their program. So they backdoor us and talk directly with SC and Trump takes credit for a failure. So lets have an honest discussion. Are we closer or farther away from war with NK?