US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[aygart]

This thread is becoming a game of Name That Fallacy.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I get it. Now, is the money spent on this investigation more important than the vets or not ? Simple yes or no will suffice

It is important and needs to be done. The same way social programs are important and need to be done. Now if you want to talk about unimportant things like the parade and other things then sure give it the vets.

The issue is you could have said the reason I am against the parade is because I hate Trump. Instead you question my patriotism towards vets. That was way over the line and uncalled for.

[TimT]

I’m not questioning anyone’s patriotism. (Unlike others here) Just dealing in facts, as some like to say. You brought up vets now but not back then so I’m trying to understand why. And you’ve clarified that the investigation is more important. Thanks for your response

[aygart]

I’m not questioning anyone’s patriotism. (Unlike others here) Just dealing in facts, as some like to say. You brought up vets now but not back then so I’m trying to understand why. And you’ve clarified that the investigation is more important. Thanks for your response

Whataboutism

[aygart]

This thread is becoming a game of Name That Fallacy.

[aygart]

This thread is becoming a game of Name That Fallacy.

Of course we can't forget the cognitive biases on all sides (and the middle)

[aygart]

[aygart]

[aygart]

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/07/mostly-unredacted-grassleygraham-referral-damning-doj-nunes-memo/

[shapsam]

https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/961664802299969537

[ilherman]

Unlike you watching nutcase Hannity I don't watch nutcase Maddow but feel free to keep repeating the #fakenews.

He refuses to talk to Mueller and to me that is running scared. If he really wanted to sit down with Mueller it would have happened by now. To hide behind your lawyers is a classic smokescreen.

You may or may not watch Maddow. But you can definitely replace her when she is not available. How would it feel to sit with Joe on one table?

You like her, try to twist facts which are open for everyone to verify. Trump is NOT saying he is not talking to Mueller because his lawyers are not letting him.  You are missing the key fact here. Mueller has not yet to actually called Trump for a meeting.    Its all fake news/leaks about Mueller looking into calling him for an interview. And on that Trump is saying, as per CNN, that if he will actually be called he will come forward and speak with Mueller. Transparency.

Now what?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Now what?

I will tell you what. Once you realize Hannity is a nutcase like most members here already know then we can have an honest discussion.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I’m not questioning anyone’s patriotism. (Unlike others here) Just dealing in facts, as some like to say. You brought up vets now but not back then so I’m trying to understand why. And you’ve clarified that the investigation is more important. Thanks for your response

Ok now we got another Hannity. I said both were important but I don't expect you to be honest.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Anyone see @henche? He didn't jump off a ledge, did he? I have fresh batch of crow for him. He alone is driving up the price of crow! 

[aygart]

[ChaimMoskowitz]

So fake news CNN is in full blown tantrum mode after an employee in the west wing allegedly abused his wife.

Allegedly? Are you kidding me. @ilherman

I am totally disappointed in someone who honored us all by his service to our country.
“Rob Porter is a man of true integrity and honor, and I can’t say enough good things about him. He is a friend, a confidante and a trusted professional,” Kelly told the paper. “I am proud to serve alongside him.”

What about Hope Hicks? Is he she having an affair with WH personal?

[aygart]

"Omarosa was fired three times on ‘The Apprentice’ and this is the fourth time we let her go,” Deputy Press Sec. Raj Shah says.

But why was she fired?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-kelly-pushing-out-omarosa-for-triggering-trump
Multiple sources in and outside the Trump White House told The Daily Beast that, until recently, it was common practice for aides to slide into the Oval Office and distract and infuriate the president with pieces of negative news coverage. Manigault, they say, was one of the worst offenders.
“When Gen. Kelly is talking about clamping down on access to the Oval, she’s patient zero,” a source close to the Trump administration said.
The stories Manigault would present to Trump, often on a phone or printed out, would often enrage the president, and resulted in him spending at least the rest of the day fuming about it. For example, one White House source noted that Manigault was one of the people who would bring to President Trump’s attention online articles concerning MSNBC hosts, and former Trump pals, Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski “slagging him, and his administration.”
This contributed, at least in small part, to the president’s mounting rage against the MSNBC couple, which exploded in late June when Trump attacked them and tweeted that, among other things, Brzezinski “was bleeding badly from a face-lift.”Manigault earned a reputation within the White House for this kind of stuff, and, to many of her colleagues, it quickly overshadowed her comms duties and pro-Trump outreach to African-American audiences.
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Sort of like someone here. Who knows how many stupid tweets the country had to endure because of her?

[aygart]

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/07/mostly-unredacted-grassleygraham-referral-damning-doj-nunes-memo/

So they did tell the FISA Court that the material was paid for, and of course the Court was free to demand more information about that if it thought it was relevant. Apparently the judge didn’t. Which makes me wonder if Julian Sanchez is right, that the Grassley/Graham document is more an indictment of the low bar set by the FISA Court in granting surveillance than it is an indictment of FBI misconduct. The Nunes memo tries to make the case that the FBI behaved improperly with respect to the original FISA application by relying on a non-credible source in Steele, but they apparently didn’t know at the time that Steele wasn’t being straight with them about not talking to the press. They *did* know later and failed to tell the court, something that smells much more like misconduct than being initially duped by Steele was. It’s the Court’s fault for not demanding something thicker than the dossier as grounds for the original warrant against Page, I’d say, more so than it’s the FBI’s.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

R's blocking a historic 2 year budget deal. Now they show their true colors about supporting our GREAT military!!!

[ChaimMoskowitz]

***BOMBSHELL ALERT***

WH new about Porter last year. Why didn't they do anything? Does the rumors about Hope Hick's having an affair come into play here? Is the rumors of her and the president true?

@ilherman can you let us know what Hannity has to say?