Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3823615 times)

avromie7 · « **Reply #18360 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:24:06 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 02:20:42 PM

You think the budget/spending bill makes him look bad?

I hate his budget/spending

shapsam · « **Reply #18361 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:24:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 02:19:05 PM

Please retake reading comprehension 101.

I'll say it again, the FBI was against releasing the R memo because they claimed it omits facts (why not tell us the facts that it omits?) and NOT because it has classified info, but the D memo they're against releasing because it has classified info.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18362 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:31:11 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 02:24:06 PM

I hate his budget/spending

I understand that. They do not make him look bad.
You might have missed this the first two times I asked.

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 02:18:14 PM

How about the wife beater they had employed at the WH?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18363 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:37:01 PM »

Quote from: shapsam on February 12, 2018, 02:24:58 PM

I'll say it again, the FBI was against releasing the R memo because they claimed it omits facts (why not tell us the facts that it omits?) and NOT because it has classified info, but the D memo they're against releasing because it has classified info.

The FBI had "grave concerns". This is from a family FBI member. "Grave" is code for classified info that should not be released. Now I guess you know why I defend the FBI.

They also said “material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.” Translation - the memo is not accurate.

aygart · « **Reply #18364 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:37:44 PM »

The claim is that it was sent back to the Dems with specific items for redaction. The claim is that the Dems purposely loaded it to get this exact response. Not expecting a different recitation of Dem talking points though.

avromie7 · « **Reply #18365 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:40:48 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 02:31:11 PM

I understand that. They do not make him look bad.

I think they make him look terrible. The Rs basically went against the biggest thing they say they stand for.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18366 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:49:43 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 02:40:48 PM

I think they make him look terrible. The Rs basically went against the biggest thing they say they stand for.

I get it that you think they make him look bad. We can disagree about his policies and have an honest discussion if you are going to be objective. So please answer this simple question.

He praises a wife beater and said nothing about the victims. Same thing for:
Roger Ailes
Bill O'Reilly
Roy Moore

What is your view on this?

avromie7 · « **Reply #18367 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:54:46 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 02:49:43 PM

He praises a wife beater and said nothing about the victims. Same thing for:
Roger Ailes
Bill O'Reilly
Roy Moore

What is your view on this?

The reason I didn't answer is not because I agree with you, and it's not because I disagree with you. It's because IDK, I try not to discuss things, if I don't know where I stand on the issue.

aygart · « **Reply #18368 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:59:52 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 02:02:08 PM

They referenced things that shows the R's are FOS.
The FBI was against releasing the R's memo and Trump did it anyway. The FBI is against releasing the D's memo and the President suddenly agrees. Who is playing the games is obvious!!!

All of them including the FBI?
How about who is NOT playing games?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18369 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:03:18 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 02:54:46 PM

The reason I didn't answer is not because I agree with you, and it's not because I disagree with you. It's because IDK, I try not to discuss things, if I don't know where I stand on the issue.

You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women.
You know what is so troubling. Many here are taking the exact same position as you. I have to wonder why that is.

aygart · « **Reply #18370 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:18:23 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 03:03:18 PM

You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women.
You know what is so troubling. Many here are taking the exact same position as you. I have to wonder why that is.

+1
Just because you prefer his policies (or at this point some of them) over the alternatives doesn't mean you should defend him for things like that.

avromie7 · « **Reply #18371 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:21:39 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 03:03:18 PM

You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women.
You know what is so troubling. Many here are taking the exact same position as you. I have to wonder why that is.

IIRC he didn't defend Roy Moore, he basically said that we can't have another democrat in the senate so we're better off voting for a bad person.

ETA: I am not trying to defend anyone, just trying to get the facts straight.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18372 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:29:07 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 03:21:39 PM

IIRC he didn't defend Roy Moore, he basically said that we can't have another democrat in the senate so we're better off voting for a bad person.

He never called him a bad person. Lets leave Roy Moore out of it then. I can add others to the list but we both know the issue is still the same. Again instead of answering the question you deflect to something else. Many here do the exact same thing you just did. This is really troubling why so many here do this.
So let me ask you again?
You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women.

avromie7 · « **Reply #18373 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:31:26 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 03:29:07 PM

He never called him a bad person. Lets leave Roy Moore out of it then. I can add others to the list but we both know the issue is still the same. Again instead of answering the question you deflect to something else. Many here do the exact same thing you just did. This is really troubling why so many here do this.
So let me ask you again?
You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women.

See ETA

aygart · « **Reply #18374 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:34:07 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 03:21:39 PM

ETA: I am not trying to defend anyone, just trying to get the facts straight.

But still have avoided the question.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18375 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:34:57 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 03:31:26 PM

See ETA

Fair enough. Now can you answer the question?
You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women?

avromie7 · « **Reply #18376 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:50:09 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 12, 2018, 03:34:57 PM

Fair enough. Now can you answer the question?
You don't know where you stand on someone who constantly defends those who abuse women?

I don't want to lump everything together, so I will discuss the most recent one. I can hear an argument (I am not agreeing or disagreeing) that just because a guy beat his wife, doesn't mean he should never be allowed to have a job. What he does to his wife is between the 2 of them and law enforcement, that shouldn't effect whether or not he can do a job.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18377 on:** February 12, 2018, 04:02:14 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 03:50:09 PM

I don't want to lump everything together, so I will discuss the most recent one. I can hear an argument (I am not agreeing or disagreeing) that just because a guy beat his wife, doesn't mean he should never be allowed to have a job. What he does to his wife is between the 2 of them and law enforcement, that shouldn't effect whether or not he can do a job.

WOW!!! You would hire a known wife beater?

springles · « **Reply #18378 on:** February 12, 2018, 04:04:15 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on February 12, 2018, 03:50:09 PM

I don't want to lump everything together, so I will discuss the most recent one. I can hear an argument (I am not agreeing or disagreeing) that just because a guy beat his wife, doesn't mean he should never be allowed to have a job. What he does to his wife is between the 2 of them and law enforcement, that shouldn't effect whether or not he can do a job.

Question wasnt whether he can do a job, question was about why Trump would defend him and I dont see an answer.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #18379 on:** February 12, 2018, 04:08:58 PM »

You can support Trumps policies 100% and that is fine. How can anyone support him as a decent human being? How can you defend his despicable statements and actions? I sure don't want to believe you disrespect women the same way he does. HelpMe out here!!!

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