Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3869561 times)

yitzgar · « **Reply #20900 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:21:17 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:17:38 PM

I don't need to turn him into anything. I know what he is.

If you have statements or actions of his that show it clearly, you wouldn't need to take the liberty to adjust his statements such as the "good people on both sides" one. I'm not saying that he isn't, or that he didn't say or do anything racist. Just waiting for examples.

skyguy918 · « **Reply #20901 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:25:54 PM »

Quote from: sguitarist18 on June 04, 2018, 07:06:42 PM

The phrase "narrow victory" implies that the victory itself was a close call.

First of all, only one of the 3 headlines used that phrase. Second of all, it does not imply a close call in this context. What you're calling a narrow victory is usually referred to as a majority ruling, or explicitly as 5-4.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20902 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:30:35 PM »

Quote from: yitzgar on June 04, 2018, 07:21:17 PM

If you have statements or actions of his that show it clearly, you wouldn't need to take the liberty to adjust his statements such as the "good people on both sides" one. I'm not saying that he isn't, or that he didn't say or do anything racist. Just waiting for examples.

There are many statements he made like the "sh*thole counties". Now all the Trumpsters will say that isn't racist but those countries say it is.

What if I said I don't want people from "sh*thole homes". Would that be racist? I am talking about the homes not the people.

I grew up in Marquette Park (google it) so I have a pretty good idea what a racist and Nazi is. There is nothing I can say or link to that will change a Trumpsters mind. After all he could shoot someone in the middle of NYC and they would still support him.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20903 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:32:44 PM »

Quote from: yesitsme on June 04, 2018, 07:19:35 PM

Can I twist everything you say because I know who you are based on twisting your words?

You can twist anything you want. If my purpose was to twist the words to something IMHO they didn't mean I would not have answered the question like most do here. I stated exactly what I did.

yitzgar · « **Reply #20904 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:38:34 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:30:35 PM

There are many statements he made like the "sh*thole counties". Now all the Trumpsters will say that isn't racist but those countries say it is.

What if I said I don't want people from "sh*thole homes". Would that be racist? I am talking about the homes not the people.

I grew up in Marquette Park (google it) so I have a pretty good idea what a racist and Nazi is. There is nothing I can say or link to that will change a Trumpsters mind. After all he could shoot someone in the middle of NYC and they would still support him.

I honestly don't see how that comment necessarily shows he is a racist. I don't think it should take a trumpster to understand that even though he stated the obvious, that the country is third world, that doesn't necessarily mean looks at the inhabitants as a lower class of humans.

yitzgar · « **Reply #20905 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:39:35 PM »

The word he used is basically a vulgar way of saying a third class country, which I wouldn't consider racist. Maybe you consider that to be racist

yuneeq · « **Reply #20906 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:40:49 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 01, 2018, 09:52:59 AM

The guy has a ton of faults and racism IMHO is one of them. I gave several examples and everyone wants to look at each example in isolation. That is not how you judge if someone is a racist.

Remember this is the guy who claimed at the beginning he never heard of Duke and wouldn't condemn him.
The same guy who said there are good Nazi's.
I put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4 not 0.

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:07:34 PM

I took the liberty to change there are good people on both sides to there are good Nazi's.

ETA: exact words were “very fine people on both sides”

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:17:38 PM

I don't need to turn him into anything. I know what he is.

He’s a racist because I know he’s a racist because he said things that can be misinterpreted as racism, so once I reanalyze those statements knowing he’s a racist, I have clear proof he’s a racist. #Im14andthisisdeep

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20907 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:42:08 PM »

Quote from: yitzgar on June 04, 2018, 07:38:34 PM

I honestly don't see how that comment necessarily shows he is a racist. I don't think it should take a trumpster to understand that even though he stated the obvious, that the country is third world, that doesn't necessarily mean looks at the inhabitants as a lower class of humans.

Quote from: yitzgar on June 04, 2018, 07:39:35 PM

The word he used is basically a vulgar way of saying a third class country, which I wouldn't consider racist. Maybe you consider that to be racist

I hear what you are saying. I believe it was racist and we can disagree. Can you answer this?

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:30:35 PM

What if I said I don't want people from "sh*thole homes". Would that be racist?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20908 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:44:49 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on June 04, 2018, 07:40:49 PM

He’s a racist because I know he’s a racist because he said things that can be misinterpreted as racism, so once I reanalyze those statements knowing he’s a racist, I have clear proof he’s a racist. #Im14andthisisdeep

Why don't you provide the link to context of NBC saying narrow victory? Or did you just assume wrong again?

yitzgar · « **Reply #20909 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:58:07 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:42:08 PM

I hear what you are saying. I believe it was racist and we can disagree. Can you answer this?

I think that may be a little different, because homes seems to have a negative connotation towards the people, rather than a geographic location, or infrastructure. However I would be inclined to say that even there it wouldn't be racist, rather a vulgar way to describe a broken home ie family situation

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20910 on:** June 04, 2018, 07:59:56 PM »

Quote from: yitzgar on June 04, 2018, 07:58:07 PM

I think that may be a little different, because homes seems to have a negative connotation towards the people, rather than a geographic location, or infrastructure. However I would be inclined to say that even there it wouldn't be racist, rather a vulgar way to describe a broken home ie family situation

Fair enough and we are at two ends of the spectrum on what racism is.

yitzgar · « **Reply #20911 on:** June 04, 2018, 08:02:09 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 07:59:56 PM

Fair enough and we are at two ends of the spectrum on what racism is.

Ok, so what is your definition? I think @aygart may have asked you earlier.
I think mine is clear from what I wrote above

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20912 on:** June 04, 2018, 08:08:55 PM »

Quote from: yitzgar on June 04, 2018, 08:02:09 PM

Ok, so what is your definition? I think @aygart may have asked you earlier.
I think mine is clear from what I wrote above

The example I gave is racist in the context we are talking about. I think that gives you an idea on how I view racism.
All blacks have aids or all people from that country have aids = racist comment.

yitzgar · « **Reply #20913 on:** June 04, 2018, 08:18:18 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on June 04, 2018, 08:08:55 PM

The example I gave is racist in the context we are talking about. I think that gives you an idea on how I view racism.
All blacks have aids or all people from that country have aids = racist comment.

So stereotyping=racism? (Not saying that's incorrect, just trying to get clarity)

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #20914 on:** June 04, 2018, 08:26:55 PM »

Quote from: yitzgar on June 04, 2018, 08:18:18 PM

So stereotyping=racism? (Not saying that's incorrect, just trying to get clarity)

It can but again you have to look at the person's past pattern. If some makes constant negative comments about all blacks, all immigrants, all Muslims and other groups he has a big problem.