US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[ChaimMoskowitz]

and therefore? Why wasn't it sent over recently?

Have no idea what the process is.

[yesitsme]

The FBI accepts the report. No one has given a valid reason not to accept the report so it is now an official goalpost!!!

I love this .
Report investigating the FBI, modified by the FBI, accepted by the FBI.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I love this .
Report investigating the FBI, modified by the FBI, accepted by the FBI.

I think you left out the IG that Trump praised a short time ago but you are a Trumpster. 

[aygart]

Original Language of Comey statement

There is evidence to support a conclusion that Secretary Clinton, and
others, used the private email server in a manner that was grossly
negligent with respect to the handling of classified information....
There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person
in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government
employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters,
should have known that an unclassified system was no place for such
an email conversation. Although we did not find clear evidence that
Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing
the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were
extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified
information.
Similarly, the sheer volume of information that was properly classified
as Secret at the time it was discussed on email (that is, excluding the
“up classified” emails) supports an inference that the participants were
grossly negligent in their handling of that information....
Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of
Justice. In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about
whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped
collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations
to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage
in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution
may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the
importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statute
proscribing gross negligence in the handling of classified information
and of the statute proscribing misdemeanor mishandling, my judgment
is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. At the
outset, we are not aware of a case where anyone has been charged
solely based on the gross negligence prohibition in the statute. All
charged cases of which we are aware have involved the accusationthat a government employee intentionally mishandled classified
information. In looking back at our investigations in similar
circumstances, we cannot find a case that would support bringing
criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved
some combination of: (1) clearly intentional misconduct; (2) vast
quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an
inference of intentional misconduct; (3) indications of disloyalty to the
United States; or (4) efforts to obstruct justice. We see none of that
here.

Then they report this claim

As described in more detail below,
Comey said he did not recall that his original draft used the term “gross
negligence,” and did not recall discussions about that issue.

The report then continues with 5 pages of discussion over those words over 3 weeks. This includes Lisa "insurnce Policy" Page specifically convincing against using the stutory language because it would cause confusion as to why if the law was violated she still wasn't being prosecuted.

Comey told the OIG that he did not recall that his initial draft used “grossly
negligent,” and did not specifically recall what discussions led to this change. He
said that the group that met to discuss the drafts of his statement—which included
Rybicki, Bowdich, Steinbach, Priestap, Strzok, the Lead Analyst, Baker, Anderson,
FBI Attorney 1, and Page—struggled to figure out what term to use to describe
former Secretary Clinton’s conduct, because “it was more than your ordinary
somebody left a document in a unprotected place or had a single conversation.”
According to Comey, they tried to capture the sense that her use of the private
server was “really sloppy, but it doesn’t rise to the level of prosecution.” He
speculated during his OIG interview that the team advised him that it was unwise
to track the statutory language because the “grossly negligent” conduct required by
Section 793(f) is something just short of willful or reckless.

"I don't recall but I speculate...."

Comey told the OIG that nothing the FBI learned between May 2 and July 5
changed their view of whether former Secretary Clinton’s conduct met the definition
of “gross negligence.” Comey said that it was his understanding based on the
statute’s legislative history that Congress intended for there to be some level of
willfulness present even to prove a “gross negligence” violation. When asked
whether he believed at any time in the process that former Secretary Clinton was
grossly negligent within the meaning of Section 793(f), Comey said, “No.” Comey
explained:
There was no evidence to establish anything close to willfulness which
I take as a conscious disregard of a non-legal duty and that the closest
to there to me was, it’s just really sloppy. A reasonable person in her
position should have known, but what I understood 793(f) to be about
is something closer to actual knowledge, but I think that it was this is
obviously wildly distorted, but I think that’s what we were grappling
with....
I’m trying to find a way to credibly describe what we think she did and
our sense was, frankly mere negligence didn’t get it because it was not
just ordinary sloppiness, it was sloppiness across a multiyear period
and so there was, I had in my head some sense that to be credible, we
have to capture that and what words do we use to capture it—andthat’s where we found the formulation extremely careless. Now if I
had to do it over again, I might have tried to find another term
because this, we sort of walked into this entire side show about 793(f),
but I haven’t thought of another term since then.

A June 25 draft added a sentence to a paragraph that summarized the
factors that led the FBI to conclude that it was possible that hostile actors accessed
former Secretary Clinton’s private server. This new sentence stated, “She also
used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including from
the territory of sophisticated adversaries. That use included an email exchange
with the President while Secretary Clinton was on [sic] the territory of such an
adversary.” On June 30, Rybicki circulated another version that changed the
second sentence to remove the reference to the President, replacing it with“another senior government official.”137 The final version of the statement omitted
this reference altogether and instead read, “She also used her personal email
extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving workrelated
emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries.” FBI emails indicate
that the decision to remove this sentence was based on concerns about litigation
risk under the Privacy Act.

[aygart]

We asked several witnesses why they did not obtain devices used by
Sullivan, Mills, and Abedin, both as a means of searching for evidence of the
mishandling of classified information by Clinton and her aides and to prevent a
further compromise of classified information. Both Strzok and Anderson told us
that, at the outset of the investigation, former Deputy Director Giuliano generally
advised the team that the purpose of the investigation was not to follow every
potential lead of classified information.

[elit]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/opinion/children-parents-asylum-immigration.html
what's the other sides response to this

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[aygart]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/opinion/children-parents-asylum-immigration.html
what's the other sides response to this

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This is not my opinion on the matter but my guess is that they would say that it is no different than the children of any other criminal.

[elit]

This is not my opinion on the matter but my guess is that they would say that it is no different than the children of any other criminal.

I am hoping there's a better response them that I'm also I'm not getting clear was this done under Obama also? if not I would assume the press would be pushing this Much harder than they are

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[aygart]

I am hoping there's a better response them that I'm also I'm not getting clear was this done under Obama also? if not I would assume the press would be pushing this Much harder than they are

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I think it is being done much more now.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I am hoping there's a better response them that I'm also I'm not getting clear was this done under Obama also? if not I would assume the press would be pushing this Much harder than they are

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I don't believe it was done under catch and release.

[aygart]

Footnote

120 As we describe in Chapter Nine, these text messages also caused us to assess Strzok’s
decision in October 2016 to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related
investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop. We concluded that we did not have confidence
that this decision by Strzok was free from bias.

[aygart]

this could have occurred in late September 2016.
Comey told the OIG that this information “didn’t index”
with him, which he attributed to the way the
information was presented to him and the fact that, “I
don’t know that I knew that [Weiner] was married to
Huma Abedin at the time.”

[aygart]

I guess Comey also wasn't with intent....

[aygart]

FOX reported it was just found recently.

#Fakenews. The LP text to which he responded was reported on Dec 13, 2017
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/peter-strzok-lisa-page-texts-trump-idiot/

"HE [Trump] appears to have no ability to experience reverence which I [SIC] the foundation for any capacity to admire or serve anything bigger than self to want to learn about anything beyond self, to want to know and deeply honor the people around you," Strzok lamented. Page wrote back, "He's not ever going to become president, right? Right?" 

This means that they had the text and SOMEONE deliberately removed and hid it from congress. Why?

[aygart]

IG report makes it clear he wasn't biased. If anything he favored Trump.

Where and how?

[yesitsme]

Throw Strozk in jail for all I care. What I care about is Comey's roll in this. IG report makes it clear there's no evidence that he was biased.

Ftfy

[Yammer]

Footnote

120 As we describe in Chapter Nine, these text messages also caused us to assess Strzok’s
decision in October 2016 to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related
investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop. We concluded that we did not have confidence
that this decision by Strzok was free from bias.

Your amazing.... mowing through that report like that...

[aygart]

Your amazing.... mowing through that report like that...

I read the summary and a few sections which i found interesting. Nowhere near the whole thing yet and probably never.
Even the sections i did go through were not all read thoroughly.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I read the summary and a few sections which i found interesting. Nowhere near the whole thing yet and probably never.

I just watch FOX and MSNBC as they give the worse at each ends of the spectrum. So far one big nothingburger. Maybe they are not hungry. 

[aygart]

Nothingburger- Something which doesn't fit the with preconceived notions of @ChaimMoskowitz yet doesn't force him past cognitive dissonance.