US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[ChaimMoskowitz]

the IG report? The hearing are all political posturing. I am not defending anything at all from the hearings. I am not ignoring it but want to first address this aspect.

The IG report is being used by both sides to discredit/promote Trump based on ones bias. They are completely ignoring the conclusion the fair independent report came to. You can disagree with not charging HRC but IG made it crystal clear there was no bias!!!

[Boruch999]

It is wrong to separate children from their mothers in this situation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5946471/DOJ-adults-separated-kids-border-murderers-child-abusers-kidnappers.html

[ChaimMoskowitz]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5946471/DOJ-adults-separated-kids-border-murderers-child-abusers-kidnappers.html

Do you understand what a "mother" is? I am not asking the way Trump uses that word.

[Boruch999]

Do you understand what a "mother" is? I am not asking the way Trump uses that word.

I do.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I do.

Then what does that article have to do with what I said?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

12 more Russians indicted!!! If this a witch hunt their must be a lot of witches out there.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Like you lying that the IG report says the decision was not affected by bias.

Do you want to be man enough and apologize? @aygart

[Toasted]

12 more Russians indicted!!! If this a witch hunt their must be a lot of witches out there.

Of course its a witch hunt. Someone at the clown show called Strzok out on it yesterday. When they opened the investigation, all he was dreaming about was impeaching trump. Not one iota of it was focused on going after the Russian perpetrators. Whomever was president at that point didn't give a d@mn either despite knowing they were doing it.

Claiming success with these indictments is like rescuing some trapped goldfish from the Thai cave and claiming victory.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Of course its a witch hunt. Someone at the clown show called Strzok out on it yesterday. When they opened the investigation, all he was dreaming about was impeaching trump. Not one iota of it was focused on going after the Russian perpetrators. Whomever was president at that point didn't give a d@mn either despite knowing they were doing it.

Claiming success with these indictments is like rescuing some trapped goldfish from the Thai cave and claiming victory.

The IG report disputes your premise about Strzok.

[aygart]

Really sad to see how you comprise your principals to defend this president.

“We found no evidence that the conclusions by department prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations. Rather, we concluded that they were based on the prosecutor’s assessment of facts, the law and past department practice.”


Lets see your twist on this one!!!

We found no evidence that the conclusions by Department prosecutors were
affected by bias or other improper considerations; rather, we concluded that they
were based on the prosecutors’ assessment of the facts, the law, and past
Department practice. In reaching this conclusion, we recognize that much of the
questioning of the Department’s prosecutorial decision in this case has focused on
whether the Department too narrowly interpreted the “gross negligence” provision
of Section 793(f)(1) and should have pursued a prosecution because the FBI found
Clinton to be “extremely careless.” That, however, is a legal and policy judgment
involving core prosecutorial discretion for the Department to make.

Was the judgement affected by bias? We found no evidence of that........ The same goes for the rest of the similar sentences. You are taking them from the executive summary. Did you read the rest? It paints a very clear picture that whle there was no evidence that it was direcly affected and the procedure to come to judgements were followed, even so there was clear bias. The issue is that is was not actionable.

[aygart]

The IG report disputes your premise about Strzok.

Is there a new IG report about the Trump investigation?

[aygart]

12 more Russians indicted!!! If this a witch hunt their must be a lot of witches out there.

+0.5

This indictment is EXTREMELY damaging to Trump. It does not show collusion but has one MAJOR BOMBSHELL included.
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OTOH

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Do you want to be man enough and apologize? @aygart

I will take that as a no as expected. 

Only a true Trumpster would try and change this clear and decisive statement as there was bias.
"Rather, we concluded that they were based on the prosecutor’s assessment of facts, the law and past department practice.”

You should stick to the parts were they say there could be bias. This isn't one of them.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Claiming success with these indictments is like rescuing some trapped goldfish from the Thai cave and claiming victory.

You need to try and think rationally. Muellers mandate was not to convict Trump of anything. Here is part of his mandate: “any links and/or coordination between Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from that investigation.”

Many matters have already arose with numerous indictments and guilty pleas without even being over. There are many more to come IMHO. This investigation has been extremely successful so far.

[aygart]

I will take that as a no as expected. 

Only a true Trumpster would try and change this clear and decisive statement as there was bias.
"Rather, we concluded that they were based on the prosecutor’s assessment of facts, the law and past department practice.”

You should stick to the parts were they say there could be bias. This isn't one of them.

You are talking about only the final conclusion? Even that they wrote qualifications to.

[aygart]

You need to try and think rationally. Muellers mandate was not to convict Trump of anything. Here is part of his mandate: “any links and/or coordination between Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from that investigation.”

Many matters have already arose with numerous indictments and guilty pleas without even being over. There are many more to come IMHO. This investigation has been extremely successful so far.

Not only that, but they have made the connection to Trump himself. This connection is not criminal at all right as of now, but even if Trump simply knew that they were looking to help him and thought that maybe by him saying that it would encourage the Russians it is very politically damaging.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

You are talking about only the final conclusion? Even that they wrote qualifications to.

I am talking about the whole report. There is parts were they say bias is a likely conclusion (paraphrasing). There is also parts were they say there is no bias. You want to twist those parts and I accept the report as written. That is why I am Mr Goalpost and you are Mr Washing machine. 

[aygart]

I am talking about the whole report. There is parts were they say bias is a likely conclusion (paraphrasing). There is also parts were they say there is no bias. You want to twist those parts and I accept the report as written. That is why I am Mr Goalpost and you are Mr Washing machine. 

You are leaving out the parts where they say that there is no evidence of bias but.....

[ChaimMoskowitz]

You are leaving out the parts where they say that there is no evidence of bias but.....

I am not leaving anything out. They talk about bias through out the whole report. They have no problem calling out bias where they see it and accept that. You wont accept where they said they found no bias. You want to twist that into there is bias but they just could not prove it.

[elit]

finally got to watch some of the hearing. can't stand all the grandstanding on both sides but Strzrok is so unbelievable and has no credibility IMHO. anyone who thinks that someone can be extremely personally biased and believe it doesn't effect his work had zero understanding of human psychology