Author Topic: US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread (Read 3832277 times)

aygart · « **Reply #27320 on:** July 12, 2019, 12:46:05 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 12, 2019, 12:42:38 PM

That is what the courts will decide. Anyone can do anything they want. We have are legal system to decide if it is legal or not.

The recent SCOTUS ruling very explicitly allowed the question but overruled the process used to add it. In theory, it would still be able to be added but there is not enough time to redo the process. So my source that it can be added is actually a SCOTUS ruling.

zh cohen · « **Reply #27321 on:** July 12, 2019, 12:55:35 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 12, 2019, 12:34:27 PM

Which questions are you talking about?

ETA: The ones on the long form?

One year I picked at random -
https://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/questionnaires/1930_2.html

CountValentine · « **Reply #27322 on:** July 12, 2019, 01:12:20 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 12, 2019, 12:46:05 PM

The recent SCOTUS ruling very explicitly allowed the question but overruled the process used to add it.

Cliff notes? I thought it was struck down because they didn't buy the reason they gave.

aygart · « **Reply #27323 on:** July 12, 2019, 01:16:00 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 12, 2019, 01:12:20 PM

Cliff notes? I thought it was struck down because they didn't buy the reason they gave.

Because they lied about the reasons. But even if it was because of invalid reasoning that is still the process and not a ruling about the question itself. That was explicitly upheld.

CountValentine · « **Reply #27324 on:** July 12, 2019, 01:19:39 PM »

Quote from: aygart on July 12, 2019, 01:16:00 PM

Because they lied about the reasons. But even if it was because of invalid reasoning that is still the process and not a ruling about the question itself. That was explicitly upheld.

You say the question was upheld. Where does it say that.
I didn't even think the question was challenged so why would they rule on that?

aygart · « **Reply #27325 on:** July 12, 2019, 01:28:21 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 12, 2019, 01:19:39 PM

You say the question was upheld. Where does it say that.
I didn't even think the question was challenged so why would they rule on that?

Here are Cliff Notes.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/department-of-commerce-v-new-york/

CountValentine · « **Reply #27326 on:** July 14, 2019, 10:55:45 AM »

Anyone want to defend this racist tweet? What a scumbag!!!
President Donald Trump on Sunday called out progressive Democratic congresswomen and said “why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”

CountValentine · « **Reply #27327 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:03:59 PM »

I guess we know why Trump is consumed with Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-trails-biden-warren-and-sanders-in-new-nbc-news-wall-street-journal-poll/ar-AAEjAfp?ocid=spartanntp

Jellybelly · « **Reply #27328 on:** July 14, 2019, 11:12:25 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 14, 2019, 08:03:59 PM

I guess we know why Trump is consumed with Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-trails-biden-warren-and-sanders-in-new-nbc-news-wall-street-journal-poll/ar-AAEjAfp?ocid=spartanntp

not sure why that’s news..... it hasn’t changed in weeks

CountValentine · « **Reply #27329 on:** July 14, 2019, 11:34:33 PM »

Quote from: Jellybelly on July 14, 2019, 11:12:25 PM

not sure why that’s news..... it hasn’t changed in weeks

Just an update.

Jellybelly · « **Reply #27330 on:** July 14, 2019, 11:40:18 PM »

An update that it stayed the same? 🤔
I think your just retreating to your safe spaces. Does it make you feel safer when you look at the polls? Don’t want to ruin your night but the polls were way off in 2016....

CountValentine · « **Reply #27331 on:** July 15, 2019, 06:10:36 AM »

Quote from: Jellybelly on July 14, 2019, 11:40:18 PM

An update that it stayed the same? 🤔
I think your just retreating to your safe spaces. Does it make you feel safer when you look at the polls? Don’t want to ruin your night but the polls were way off in 2016....

If a new poll comes out that is an update. Unlike you I just report what is happening. Like this poll I posted that shows Trumps approval went up and most approve of the way he is handling the economy.

Quote from: CountValentine on July 10, 2019, 08:58:43 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-approval-rating-ticks-up-to-47-percent/ar-AAE8Q3z?ocid=spartandhp

You can repeating that the polls were way off in 2016 if that makes you feel good but that is completely false. Anytime you or anyone else want to bet against the polls just let me know. Funny I can't get you Hannity Kool-Aid drinkers to put your money where your mouth is.

CountValentine · « **Reply #27332 on:** July 15, 2019, 06:38:51 AM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aoc-unloads-on-trump-after-he-tells-progressive-congresswomen-to-go-back-to-home-countries/ar-AAEjNGD?li=BBnb7Kz
Trumps America is "White America". For all you that are naïve and don't understand let me enlighten you. Those that support Trumps "White America" do not consider Jews "White".

CountValentine · « **Reply #27333 on:** July 15, 2019, 08:31:31 AM »

If you support a racist does that make you one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-is-a-racist-if-you-still-support-him-so-are-you/ar-AAEjTmq?ocid=spartandhp

springles · « **Reply #27334 on:** July 15, 2019, 08:36:48 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 15, 2019, 06:38:51 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aoc-unloads-on-trump-after-he-tells-progressive-congresswomen-to-go-back-to-home-countries/ar-AAEjNGD?li=BBnb7Kz
Trumps America is "White America". For all you that are naïve and don't understand let me enlighten you. Those that support Trumps "White America" do not consider Jews "White".

I agree that some of Trump's supporters feel that way, I just don't think Trump does.
Either way, the tweet yesterday was his biggest mistake of his presidency. Things were going so well for him, his approval numbers were on the rise, the Democratic party was fighting amongst themselves, and some media was finally focusing on the ridiculous habit of calling every criticism an act of racism. But the Trump gets in the middle of the Democratic party infighting with an actual racist comment ending all momentum. Now the Democrats are united again against him. Now the media will stop looking at AOC calling pelosi racist and just focus on calling Trump racist.
This is really the biggest misstep he's had (although he's definitely done worse things), but he just can't help himself. He needs to be the center of attention even if it's negative attention. Like a toddler.

CountValentine · « **Reply #27335 on:** July 15, 2019, 08:45:08 AM »

Quote from: springles on July 15, 2019, 08:36:48 AM

I agree that some of Trump's supporters feel that way, I just don't think Trump does.
Either way, the tweet yesterday was his biggest mistake of his presidency. Things were going so well for him, his approval numbers were on the rise, the Democratic party was fighting amongst themselves, and some media was finally focusing on the ridiculous habit of calling every criticism an act of racism. But the Trump gets in the middle of the Democratic party infighting with an actual racist comment ending all momentum. Now the Democrats are united again against him. Now the media will stop looking at AOC calling pelosi racist and just focus on calling Trump racist.
This is really the biggest misstep he's had (although he's definitely done worse things), but he just can't help himself. He needs to be the center of attention even if it's negative attention. Like a toddler.

I agree with just about everything you said. What would it take to convince you he is a racist?
His supporters even dismiss the Access Hollywood tape about how he treats/views women.

springles · « **Reply #27336 on:** July 15, 2019, 09:19:27 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on July 15, 2019, 08:45:08 AM

I agree with just about everything you said. What would it take to convince you he is a racist?
His supporters even dismiss the Access Hollywood tape about how he treats/views women.

i think the question of whether Trump is racist is a difficult one because of how he talks about anyone who he sees as an opponent. He attacks them in any way that he can. Because of that it's hard to parse out what his true feelings about POC are. I'm not saying he isn't racist and there's no question he has said and done racist things.

CountValentine · « **Reply #27337 on:** July 15, 2019, 09:25:19 AM »

Quote from: springles on July 15, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

I'm not saying he isn't racist and there's no question he has said and done racist things.

Fair enough.

Toasted · « **Reply #27338 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:25:28 AM »

2016 should've taught you that race tagging of every argument doesn't help. If you show up here with an agenda to bash the country and exaggerate every issue just to get yourself attention, you're very welcome to go back to where you came from.

CountValentine · « **Reply #27339 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:15:47 PM »

Quote from: Toasted on July 15, 2019, 11:25:28 AM

2016 should've taught you that race tagging of every argument doesn't help. If you show up here with an agenda to bash the country and exaggerate every issue just to get yourself attention, you're very welcome to go back to where you came from.

You sound just as stupid as Trump. Do have any idea where they came from?
If Trump saw an orthodox Jew he would tell them to go back where they came from.

Is your avatar your brain?

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