US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[shaulyaakov]

i think the question of whether Trump is racist is a difficult one because of how he talks about anyone who he sees as an opponent. He attacks them in any way that he can. Because of that it's hard to parse out what his true feelings about POC are. I'm not saying he isn't racist and there's no question he has said and done racist things.

Using race (or in this case, ethnicity) as a way to diminish opponents makes someone a racist. Do I think Trump is pushing for a white Christian ethno-state? No. Do I think he is willing to demean people based on race/religion/gender/national origin if it helps him? Absolutely.

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You sound just as stupid as Trump. Do have any idea where they came from?
If Trump saw an orthodox Jew he would tell them to go back where they came from. 
Is your avatar your brain? 

2016 all over again.
Trump: Folks come here not to reap the benefits of USA but to cause a ruccus. Let them go home.
CV: Racist!!!
Observer: Well he has a point there. These people are causing problems.
CV: You're stupid. Trump hates you too.

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Using race (or in this case, ethnicity) as a way to diminish opponents makes someone a racist. Do I think Trump is pushing for a white Christian ethno-state? No. Do I think he is willing to demean people based on race/religion/gender/national origin if it helps him? Absolutely.

that seems pretty similar to what i was saying, I was just hesitant to include that first sentence.

[CountValentine]

2016 all over again.
Trump: Folks come here not to reap the benefits of USA but to cause a ruccus. Let them go home.
CV: Racist!!!
Observer: Well he has a point there. These people are causing problems.
CV: You're stupid. Trump hates you too.

Toasted: Jews should all go back where they came from.
CV: That is anti-semetic.
Toasted: No it isn't. 

[CountValentine]

Using race (or in this case, ethnicity) as a way to diminish opponents makes someone a racist.

Did you grow up in the real world?

Jews are causing problems and should all go back to where they came from. IS THAT ANTI-SEMETIC?

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Toasted: Jews should all go back where they came from.
CV: That is anti-semetic.
Toasted: No it isn't. 

Did he say all minority x, or specific individuals who cause problems? Can you pull up the quote we're discussing? Or any other quote if that helps you.

[CountValentine]

Did he say all minority x, or specific individuals who cause problems? Can you pull up the quote we're discussing? Or any other quote if that helps you.

Stop being ridicules. You want to support him, fine. You don't need to bring yourself to his level while doing it.

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Stop being ridicules. You want to support him, fine. You don't need to bring yourself to his level while doing it.

TDS is real but treatable. You never once responded to any point/question or provided any support to your positions. Just the regular negative stuff.

I'm not arguing for sport. Lots of outrage out there and was wondering if anyone actually believes it. I have my answer.

[CountValentine]

I'm not arguing for sport. Lots of outrage out there and was wondering if anyone actually believes it. I have my answer.

...and I have my answer about you.

Hannity Kool-Aid drinker comes to mind or been living under a stone. 

[CountValentine]

Or any other quote if that helps you.

To help you as I need no help recognizing a racist.
"Representative Michael R. Turner, Republican of Ohio, said Mr. Trump’s comments on Sunday were “racist” and the president should apologize. And Representative Will Hurd, Republican of Texas, condemned the president’s remarks, calling them “racist, and xenophobic.”

ETA:Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, said Mr. Trump’s use of Israel in his comments hurts the Jewish community.
“He doesn’t speak for any of us,” Mr. Greenblatt wrote in a Twitter post on Monday. “We call on ALL leaders across the political spectrum to condemn these racist, xenophobic tweets & using Jews as a shield.”

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To help you as I need no help recognizing a racist.
"Representative Michael R. Turner, Republican of Ohio, said Mr. Trump’s comments on Sunday were “racist” and the president should apologize. And Representative Will Hurd, Republican of Texas, condemned the president’s remarks, calling them “racist, and xenophobic.”

I mean a quote from the President where he said/implied that 'all minority x' should leave the country, which is what you say he implied.

[CountValentine]

I mean a quote from the President where he said/implied that 'all minority x' should leave the country, which is what you say he implied.

Here we go with the spin saying I implied something. Read what fellow republicans are saying about this racist and wake up. The more you defend these racist comments the more you become just like him.

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Here we go with the spin saying I implied something. Read what fellow republicans are saying about this racist and wake up. The more you defend these racist comments the more you become just like him.

Some say say he is, some say he isn't. I'm willing to be persuaded either way. My question was how was that specific comment about troublemakers going back to their country racist?

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ETA:Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, said Mr. Trump’s use of Israel in his comments hurts the Jewish community.
“He doesn’t speak for any of us,” Mr. Greenblatt wrote in a Twitter post on Monday. “We call on ALL leaders across the political spectrum to condemn these racist, xenophobic tweets & using Jews as a shield.”

Without getting into this discussion, adding this made your point weaker, not stronger. Greenblatt had turned the ADL into an arm of the Democratic party that spends more time attacking Jewish journalists than calling out anti-Semitism.

[CountValentine]

Without getting into this discussion, adding this made your point weaker, not stronger. Greenblatt had turned the ADL into an arm of the Democratic party that spends more time attacking Jewish journalists than calling out anti-Semitism.

To be honest I have no idea who he is. I do know about ADL.

[CountValentine]

Some say say he is, some say he isn't. I'm willing to be persuaded either way. My question was how was that specific comment about troublemakers going back to their country racist?

1 - Why did you label them troublemakers?
2 - All four are Americans. Their country is USA like mine and hopefully yours.

So if you want to have a discusion first educate youeself about the facts.

[shaulyaakov]

Huge ICE protest blocking 5th Ave at 42nd st in Manhattan.

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1 - Why did you label them troublemakers?
2 - All four are Americans. Their country is USA like mine and hopefully yours.

So if you want to have a discusion first educate youeself about the facts.

1. Ask Nancy Pelosi
2. They willfully came from some other place and should respect the USA the way we all do. Otherwise, they can go right back.

[CountValentine]

Huge ICE protest blocking 5th Ave at 42nd st in Manhattan.

I am sure they can use some ice on this hot day.

[CountValentine]

1. Ask Nancy Pelosi
2. They willfully came from some other place and should respect the USA the way we all do. Otherwise, they can go right back.

1 - I call you out and you try and deflect.
2 - What the h*ll are you talking about? 3 out of 4 where born here.
3 - Should have never engaged a Hannity Kool-Aid drinker.