US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[chinagel]

She is acknowledging that the US did and should have spoke up against Nazi Germany. How is this anti-Israel let alone comparing them to Nazi Germany?

This must be a first. @CountValentine being nuanced! Never thought I'd see the day

Stick around tomorrow when I call out all these racist that hide behind their religion. 

Can't wait

[CountValentine]

This must be a first. @CountValentine being nuanced! Never thought I'd see the day :)Can't wait

When someone says 1+1=6 I have to ask where they got that from. Does the hatred run so deep they can't even read the words in front of them?

[chinagel]

When someone says 1+1=6 I have to ask where they got that from. Does the hatred run so deep they can't even read the words in front of them?

I don't disagree.

[CountValentine]

I don't disagree.

This must be a first. @CountValentine and I agree! Never thought I'd see the day

[sguitarist18]

Where does it say that? She never even mentioned Israel. You using KAC aternative facts again?
She gave examples where the US did and should have spoke up.


You need to put your Hannity Kool-aid drinking hatred aside.

The main point of her resolution is this: opposes unconstitutional legislative efforts to limit the use of boycotts to further civil rights at home and abroad.

She's talking about BDS.

[CountValentine]

The main point of her resolution is this: opposes unconstitutional legislative efforts to limit the use of boycotts to further civil rights at home and abroad.

She's talking about BDS.

She never mentioned BDS.
As written what do you disagree with the resolution?
Are you against protesting atrocities abroad?

[yitzgar]

She is acknowledging that the US did and should have spoke up against Nazi Germany. How is this anti-Israel let alone comparing them to Nazi Germany?

You did not read my previous post

[yitzgar]

Here

I think that merely mentioning previous boycotts would not be comparing, but describing the reasons for the previous  boycotts seems to compare the current reason for boycott to the previous reasons.

[sguitarist18]

She never mentioned BDS, but everyone should understand that's where she's going with this. Any attempt to say otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

We should definitely disagree with atrocities abroad. The issue with BDS is that it's a purely anti-semitic movement.

[CountValentine]

You did not read my previous post

Yes I did. You are mistaken that resolution is comparing anything. She gave examples where we have correctly protested actions here and abroad. One of those acknowledgements was the dehumanizing of Jews.

I will ask you the same questions.
As written what do you disagree with the resolution?
Are you against protesting atrocities abroad?

[CountValentine]

She never mentioned BDS, but everyone should understand that's where she's going with this. Any attempt to say otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

We should definitely disagree with atrocities abroad. The issue with BDS is that it's a purely anti-semitic movement.

Your view on BDS is your view and you are entitled to it just as others are entitled to theirs.

Let me ask you. Should US citizens be able to protest Israel if they feel they are violating human rights?

[aygart]

@aygart requesting your expertise. What does this bill say?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/496/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22omar%22%5D%7D&r=2&s=4

She starts off with the rights of individuals which is a constitutional right and no state law to prevent it would stand under legal scrutiny. The state laws to prevent boycotts are referring to laws preventing government boycotts. THe only such laws being discussed now are ones to prevent targetting of Israel. I do not think that states should be setting their own foreign policies.

[CountValentine]

She starts off with the rights of individuals which is a constitutional right and no state law to prevent it would stand under legal scrutiny. The state laws to prevent boycotts are referring to laws preventing government boycotts. THe only such laws being discussed now are ones to prevent targetting of Israel. I do not think that states should be setting their own foreign policies.

Thanks and I wasn't aware of the state laws being discussed.
Is there anything in the resolution that compares Nazi Germany to Israel?

[skyguy918]

Thanks and I wasn't aware of the state laws being discussed.
Is there anything in the resolution that compares Nazi Germany to Israel?

It's context. Those of us that know the background to this resolution know that they were attempting to draw parallels between the human rights issues of the 4 historical precedents and those they perceive to exist today with Israel. They're not shy about it generally, they just weren't explicit about it in this resolution.

[sguitarist18]

Your view on BDS is your view and you are entitled to it just as others are entitled to theirs.

Let me ask you. Should US citizens be able to protest Israel if they feel they are violating human rights?

First of all, this:

She starts off with the rights of individuals which is a constitutional right and no state law to prevent it would stand under legal scrutiny. The state laws to prevent boycotts are referring to laws preventing government boycotts. THe only such laws being discussed now are ones to prevent targetting of Israel. I do not think that states should be setting their own foreign policies.

Second of all, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but factually speaking, some opinions are wrong.

To the point where, when they want to persuade people that BDS is justified, they'll bring in someone who believes in boycotts against many countries...but the only one they're applying that to is Israel.

Thanks and I wasn't aware of the state laws being discussed.
Is there anything in the resolution that compares Nazi Germany to Israel?

The resolution doesn't state it explicitly, but that's obviously where she's going with it.

[yitzgar]

Yes I did. You are mistaken that resolution is comparing anything. She gave examples where we have correctly protested actions here and abroad. One of those acknowledgements was the dehumanizing of Jews.

I will ask you the same questions.
As written what do you disagree with the resolution?
Are you against protesting atrocities abroad?

I will repeat. I don't think that it actually compared. But by listing previous boycotts and their reasons, it leans in that direction. Definitely gives a bad taste, even if there is nothing technically wrong with what it says.

[sguitarist18]

Which is exactly her point.

[CountValentine]

Which is exactly her point.

If you said her point is boycott Israel I would agree with you. When you say the resolution compares Nazi Germany to Israel then you are drinking the Hannity Kool-Aid.

[chinagel]

Never said I agree. Just that I don't disagree. It's all about nuance. I see it's not a permanent thing.

[CountValentine]

Classic racist response.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-disagrees-with-send-her-back-chant-directed-at-rep-omar-during-his-rally-despite-his-previous-go-back-tweet/ar-AAEwf6s?li=BBnb7Kz