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Ok so I've been warned by Commissar XYZ (who shall remain nameless, and who's team has reviewed my post for any anti establishment material) of the USSDDF (Union of Soviet Socialist Dan Deals Forums) to cease and desist in engaging in this controversial topic which is "disturbing the peace" and not leading to any goodwill (which is true). So now, on my way to the gulag for reeducation, I bid farewell to all the great masters of DDF, and salute them with my right hand held high, in the obligatory fashion, and announce-

HEIL DAN!!! LONG LIVE DDF!!! Down with the dissenters!

Farewell.
...And good riddance!
;D
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Author Topic: GOODBYE SMISEK!  (Read 38148 times)

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2015, 09:32:16 PM »

Guys,
If I wouldn't have known who Smisek was I would've assumed, from the content of this thread, that he's probably public enemy #1, perhaps some sort of mass murderer or jihadist. The celebration here is a tad extreme-he was just a guy trying to do his job, whether you think he was doing a good job at that or not. Just because Dan seems to have some intense loathing for the guy (for whatever reason, whether justified or not) this is a bit over the top.
Not that it makes a difference or it's that actually wrong in any way, it's just a bit extreme.

Guys,
If I wouldn't have known who AJ was,* I might have assumed he was just a thoughtful guy who doesn't like to criticize others too harshly, and prefers to err on the side of tolerance and understanding.
But this is just a tad extreme, worrying about these mild taunts about a public figure almost universally reviled, resigning under a damming cloud of controversy.
If I wouldn't have known better, I might have thought he was just a contrarian troll going against popular opinion just to be argumentative. You know, like an itch in that spot on your back you just can't get to.
Not that this makes a difference, or that this comment is especially egregious, it's just that it highlights the annoyance caused and lack of reading comprehension it usually comes with.

*obviously, I don't really know AJ, s/he could be a fantastic person irl with whom I'd enjoy drinking a beer.
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2015, 09:35:52 PM »

Ridiculous. Your aversion to dissent in any shape or form is extreme beyond measure. What I said is my personal view that I'm perfectly entitled to have and voice. I'm not trying to provoke debate, but merely pointing out that if you take a step back and think for a moment you'll realize that your hatred (and that's exactly what it is) of this guy is not called for, whether you agree with his business decisions or not.
You seem to be so deeply affected by his actions that you can't see beyond how you lost out due to him. Show this thread to any normal non DDF'er and he'll think Smisek is the name of a Muslim cleric just killed in Afghanistan by a CIA drone. Particularly disturbing is the mob mentality, like how all join in the "lynching" since the "elites" (who were most seriously affected by him) despise him so.
But whatever, think and do as you want, makes no difference to me. I made my point and I'm out.

PS. Don't worry so much about dissenters-there are worse things.

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2015, 09:39:22 PM »
I've tolerated your trolling in JS. Keep trolling here and you're gone.

I encourage rational dissent, it makes for interesting conversations. Proof is in the pudding: If I didn't there would be hundreds of bans on DDF instead of 1 or 2 bans over the course of 8 years.
Your trolling here is akin to me posting that the UACO merger was a disaster and you responding that the holocaust and 9/11 were disasters, therefore nothing else is a disaster. You are "that guy" that nobody wants around, so congrats for that. Pat yourself on the back.

If you would actually take the time to read the FT thread you would see that he's universally reviled as a villain in the industry. If you want to post outside of JS it had better be with rational counterarguments, not your typical trolling pile of BS.
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2015, 09:41:13 PM »
Way to DDF a great thread
Eta: although that last song post by Dan was great

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #64 on: September 08, 2015, 09:41:35 PM »
Way to DDF a great thread
That's what trolls do best.
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2015, 09:47:06 PM »
News just in:

Smisek is reportedly in conversations with El Al...

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2015, 09:48:06 PM »
News just in:

Smisek is reportedly in conversations with El Al...
Transaero/El Al merger coming  ;D
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2015, 09:48:18 PM »
Back OT here is a great post from FT.
(didn't go through it all, I'm sure there is better)

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Since everyone is so fond of telling Munoz what he should do, here are my requests:

1. As long as $mi$ek gets lifetime GS benefits, let him be served by the GS agents that he forced to take a pay cut and work from home or better yet, let him be assigned to one of the agents who he fired.

2. Define $mi$ek's "lifetime" benefits the same way that he defined "lifetime" for his customers.

Do you think this guy will even have the guts to fly on a UA aircraft, even if its free? I read once that so many people hated him so much that even before being fired, he needed a security entourage to keep him safe while he travelled on his own airline

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2015, 09:49:53 PM »
Back OT here is a great post from FT.
(didn't go through it all, I'm sure there is better)
One of many awesome posts from there.
Would be nie to see his benefits capped at a lifetime of 2 years :D
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2015, 09:53:41 PM »
One of many awesome posts from there.
Would be nie to see his benefits capped at a lifetime of 2 years :D

Or for UA to convert it to 100k points and send him a 1099  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2015, 09:57:53 PM »
So is CLE gonna get their hub back?
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2015, 10:06:52 PM »
On sept 11? Darn, I'll be in ATL then :(. But I can celebrate with you guys in the far superior DL lounge.
Don't think the CLE DO has a date yet.
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2015, 10:10:16 PM »
Don't think the CLE DO has a date yet.

Didn't realize that was SFO. If anyone wants to plan something for EWR, I'm in. Otherwise, too much business travel over the next few months to go out of my way :'(. Maybe I can make it a Cavs + !@#$ Smisek road trip.

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2015, 10:42:27 PM »
I've tolerated your trolling in JS. Keep trolling here and you're gone.

I encourage rational dissent, it makes for interesting conversations. Proof is in the pudding: If I didn't there would be hundreds of bans on DDF instead of 1 or 2 bans over the course of 8 years.
Your trolling here is akin to me posting that the UACO merger was a disaster and you responding that the holocaust and 9/11 were disasters, therefore nothing else is a disaster. You are "that guy" that nobody wants around, so congrats for that. Pat yourself on the back.

If you would actually take the time to read the FT thread you would see that he's universally reviled as a villain in the industry. If you want to post outside of JS it had better be with rational counterarguments, not your typical trolling pile of BS.
Just because that's your opinion doesn't mean it's everyone else's (though I admit it is some others as well).
I actually showed this thread to a few family members and friends (who aren't into the game) and they found the hatred quite amusing, if not odd. It's quite obvious your accusations of "trolling" are simply a thinly veiled method of discrediting my opinion. I think even many people here would agree with me that my opinion is perfectly sound and rational, even if it is not in agreement with their own.
Either way, given that your feelings about Smisek are irrelevant and have little practical ramifications, I'm going to back down from this. Maybe I'll even start a JS thread about it-but first I got to finish patting my back so give me a bit.



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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2015, 10:45:31 PM »
AJ's trolling 101: Never, ever actually respond to the argument at hand, just attack the arguer. Rinse and repeat thousands of times.
Next up: I don't like Smisek because I'm chabad.

Still waiting to hear if you've read through the FT thread. I'm sure they'd love a troll there and their vitriol makes mine look weak, so you should be able to keep posting and patting yourself on your back until you're sore. Your friends are sure to get a kick out of it!
Except on FT the mods suspend trolls like you in minutes, while for reasons beyond me I've let you continue trolling here for years (without a single positive contribution that I can think of) for reasons even I'm not entirely sure of.
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #77 on: September 08, 2015, 10:55:31 PM »
AJ's trolling 101: Never, ever actually respond to the argument at hand, just attack the arguer. Rinse and repeat thousands of times.
Next up: I don't like Smisek because I'm chabad.

Still waiting to hear if you've read through FT. I'm sure they'd love a troll there and their vitriol makes mine look weak, so you should be able to keep posting and patting yourself on your back until you're sore. Except their the mods suspend trolls in minutes, while for reasons beyong me I've let you continue trolling here (without a single positive contribution that I can think of) for reasons even I'm not entirely sure of.
So you want a response to your "argument"?
If you'd read what I've written you'd see your "argument" can't even be called that. Let's follow the conversation:
1. Smisek gets fired/leaves
2. DDF rejoices at the great evil (in your words: villain) that has been banished from United.
3. AJ points out that (while he himself is quite happy he's gone) Smisek wasn't an evil villain trying to steal your points. He was trying to do his job of increasing United's bottom line. Whether you agree with him or not is no reflection whatsoever on his personal character (he may be one of the 36 hidden tzadikim) and so the gloating is a bit out of hand. AJ reminds people to take a step back and realize your actually hating a man for his business decisions he made that you don't agree with.
5. Coralsnake voices his opinion that I'm wrong. All good until now.
6. Dan accuses me of trolling, threatens, and implies that I feel or said that his decisions "weren't a disaster". (Of course, I said nothing of the sort, merely that his business decisions aren't cause to hate him).
7. End of story

I think I'm being quite rational, but that's my opinion only. It's still a perfectly legit way of looking at things.

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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #78 on: September 08, 2015, 10:58:48 PM »
And once again you fail to address any of my DDMS points, any of the FT points on his character, or any points from any other blogger calling him a repeated liar. All you ever do is attack the arguer never the arguments.

You also deflect yet again on educating yourself by reading the thousands of FT posts celebrating his departure as well as stories from planes today where FAs gave out free booze and food to celebrate his leaving. Even the most celebrated United pilot who everyone loves and who seems to love all, has cursed out Smisek and openly defied his edicts.

But you're right, I'm sure he was really a lamed vuvnik for destroying 2 once-proud airlines. And for bribing a government official.

You truly are the ultimate troll.
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Re: GOODBYE SMISEK!
« Reply #79 on: September 08, 2015, 10:59:07 PM »
So you want a response to your "argument"?
If you'd read what I've written you'd see your "argument" can't even be called that. Let's follow the conversation:
1. Smisek gets fired/leaves
2. DDF rejoices at the great evil (in your words: villain) that has been banished from United.
3. AJ points out that (while he himself is quite happy he's gone) Smisek wasn't an evil villain trying to steal your points. He was trying to do his job of increasing United's bottom line. Whether you agree with him or not is no reflection whatsoever on his personal character (he may be one of the 36 hidden tzadikim) and so the gloating is a bit out of hand. AJ reminds people to take a step back and realize your actually hating a man for his business decisions he made that you don't agree with.
5. Coralsnake voices his opinion that I'm wrong. All good until now.
6. Dan accuses me of trolling, threatens, and implies that I feel or said that his decisions "weren't a disaster". (Of course, I said nothing of the sort, merely that his business decisions aren't cause to hate him).
7. End of story

I think I'm being quite rational, but that's my opinion only. It's still a perfectly legit way of looking at things.
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