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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2015, 07:19:41 PM »


Forgot to mention, the way we connect the wood to the tarp is by sandwiching it between two pieces of wood and nailing them together, puts way less stress on the tarp.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2015, 08:54:43 PM »


Forgot to mention, the way we connect the wood to the tarp is by sandwiching it between two pieces of wood and nailing them together, puts way less stress on the tarp.
That looks great! I assume you save it year to year?
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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2015, 09:38:38 PM »

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2015, 09:50:00 PM »
That looks great! I assume you save it year to year?
Yes, barely takes space and rarely needs any maintenance...also very easy to open and close my 7 year old sister does it.
Look shlak, like!

:) thanks

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2015, 11:26:47 AM »
Yes, barely takes space and rarely needs any maintenance...also very easy to open and close my 7 year old sister does it. :) thanks
Pics of opening system?

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2015, 11:30:35 AM »
I'll leave Halachic to those more qualified but from an engineering perspective you'll have an easier time with a cover.
But the point of my mostly humorous but slightly serious idea is that it solves the rain problem particularly for the first night. You have a kosher sukkah even when it's raining.
Also if you have a very narrow sukkah the fans need not be that strong as it just needs to bend/move the rain say 3 or 4 feet which may be possible with regular strong consumer fans like maybe a box fan

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2015, 11:36:04 AM »
I have given up on shlocks but in the past I've used those light fiberglass/plastic panels screwed to a wooden frame that rests on the far side of the sukkah and the side close to the house is attached 2 feet or so above the schach (to allow for runoff). The far side has a rope tied to each end which is then attached to a pulley located on the house but by the second floor or higher with the rope then dropping down to ground level. Then you can pull up the shlock like a drawbridge and have a tie down metal thingy attached to the house at ground level so you can raise and lower it with two people inside the sukkah pulling on the ropes

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2015, 11:37:15 AM »
And when it's up you just hold it there by tying it to the things attached to the house

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2015, 11:40:28 AM »
But the point of my mostly humorous but slightly serious idea is that it solves the rain problem particularly for the first night. You have a kosher sukkah even when it's raining.
Also if you have a very narrow sukkah the fans need not be that strong as it just needs to bend/move the rain say 3 or 4 feet which may be possible with regular strong consumer fans like maybe a box fan
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyIdeas/comments/3de3vp/a_big_aircraft_with_a_huge_fan_to_blow_rainy/
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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2015, 12:36:56 PM »
And when it's up you just hold it there by tying it to the things attached to the house
Yup

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2015, 12:50:12 PM »
Pics of opening system?

+1, I'd love to see that. And if you could give some detail on how that part was set up... the actual shlock I think I get and could put together based on your photos
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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2015, 01:22:21 PM »
I have given up on shlocks but in the past I've used those light fiberglass/plastic panels screwed to a wooden frame that rests on the far side of the sukkah and the side close to the house is attached 2 feet or so above the schach (to allow for runoff). The far side has a rope tied to each end which is then attached to a pulley located on the house but by the second floor or higher with the rope then dropping down to ground level. Then you can pull up the shlock like a drawbridge and have a tie down metal thingy attached to the house at ground level so you can raise and lower it with two people inside the sukkah pulling on the ropes
That was our original system, once we moved it was not doable against the house and free standing was too big, would shake the entire succah - our current system is very very good, on years that we get a lot of rain we sometimes have to push the tarp up from the inside if the water collects but if you pull the tarp taut not so much of an issue.
+1, I'd love to see that. And if you could give some detail on how that part was set up... the actual shlock I think I get and could put together based on your photos
I will try to get some pictures and possibly a video of it in action.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2015, 01:51:54 PM »

Pics of opening system?
To retract the shlack.
Two strings connected to the wood farthest away from the wall goes to two single pulleys on the wall they connect to a double pulley in the center of the wall.
To extend the shlack.
String to the farthest piece from the wall long enough to reach over the succah even when retracted. Release whatever is holding the string on the inside and  pull the string on the outside to open.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2015, 08:23:14 AM »
To retract the shlack.
Two strings connected to the wood farthest away from the wall goes to two single pulleys on the wall they connect to a double pulley in the center of the wall.
To extend the shlack.
String to the farthest piece from the wall long enough to reach over the succah even when retracted. Release whatever is holding the string on the inside and  pull the string on the outside to open.

A video in action would be great

Where did you get those long metal poles? How long are they-

How do you stabilize them to prevent from falling into the Sukkah?  Love the concept!
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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2015, 08:43:34 AM »
Disclaimer - I just had a discussion with my father and he said
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I am not sure that I recommend it. I am thinking of improvements. It doesn't have lasting power. And too complicated to fix when broken.

We've had it for at least 4 years already, apparently this year the tarp ripped in a few places and one of the pieces of wood snapped. I doubt we'll invent anything different this year though. 

Iirc the poles are the same ones used on a fence we connected two of them together using a rivet. I imagine it's around 14 feet long.

This is how it's held on the other side.