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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2018, 10:14:53 PM »
Not worth the effort at this point in my life. Don't forget that for me it's only something to be used when the Sukkah is not in use.
ya I was gonna ask why you even have a schlock...(judging by ur avatar that is)
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2020, 09:02:16 PM »
Hi all,
I am trying to make my Shlock for the first time, just some amateur questions.
How thick should my PVC pipe be?
How much of a pitch/slant do my 2x4s need to be?
TIA!

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2020, 09:48:36 PM »
Hi all,
I am trying to make my Shlock for the first time, just some amateur questions.
How thick should my PVC pipe be?
How much of a pitch/slant do my 2x4s need to be?
TIA!

I'm not sure if I.understand you correctly, here's what I do and you can see if it helps.
I have all my succa walls on a slant (which means the schach beams and schach is as well.) This allows the water to flow down the succa (I'm obviously talking with a tarp.) I don't use the incline to role the tarp up and down, so there's no need for a crazy slope, a good few inches throughout the succa is plenty. I wouldn't advise a big slant as I find it allows the wind to come under, and the schach to bunch etc unless your willing to tie down in which case I have no experience. Just remember, for water to flow and not bunch up in one place, there's a need for a slight slant, hard surface (the schach in my case) and most of all a tight tight tarp.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2020, 09:51:56 PM »

Thanks was in middle of writing something up... Forgot I wrote that. Lol only thing I would add is if it's not possible for you to do a string both ways, and relying on the slant to role one way is needed,  a u will need a good slant

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2020, 10:58:17 AM »
I did last year just a tarp (as tight as possible) but no slant and the water built up, when I came home after a day of rain there was a 2ft deep puddle of water which I had to shovel out.
My neighbor did the same thing but did not come home on time... his whole 2x4s and Schach snapped in half and broke some panels. he had to redo the whole Sukkah!
That's why I don't want a redo of that I want to a little more professional is the pully/tarp/pvc on slanted 2x4 a very big job?

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2020, 11:00:58 AM »
I did last year just a tarp (as tight as possible) but no slant and the water built up, when I came home after a day of rain there was a 2ft deep puddle of water which I had to shovel out.
My neighbor did the same thing but did not come home on time... his whole 2x4s and Schach snapped in half and broke some panels. he had to redo the whole Sukkah!
That's why I don't want a redo of that I want to a little more professional is the pully/tarp/pvc on slanted 2x4 a very big job?

You will need a pitch - ideally the schach will also be slanted so that the tarp lies on the pitched schach otherwise the pooling will occur.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2020, 01:15:37 PM »
You will need a pitch - ideally the schach will also be slanted so that the tarp lies on the pitched schach otherwise the pooling will occur.
So even a slight pitch of let's say 6" for the entire 12' is good and I wouldn't need the whole 2x4 and pipe thingy?

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2020, 01:26:21 PM »
So even a slight pitch of let's say 6" for the entire 12' is good and I wouldn't need the whole 2x4 and pipe thingy?

You would still need it to KEEP the pitch. You would also need a way to ensure the tarp is taut.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2020, 03:35:23 PM »
You would still need it to KEEP the pitch. You would also need a way to ensure the tarp is taut.
My understanding @ejb123 and @Josef.koney disagree, they think you don't need PVC etc, unless I misunderstood 
You will need a pitch - ideally the schach will also be slanted so that the tarp lies on the pitched schach otherwise the pooling will occur.
Thanks was in middle of writing something up... Forgot I wrote that. Lol only thing I would add is if it's not possible for you to do a string both ways, and relying on the slant to role one way is needed,  a u will need a good slant

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2020, 03:50:43 PM »
My understanding @ejb123 and @Josef.koney disagree, they think you don't need PVC etc, unless I misunderstood 
If the schach itself is pitched that can work but not so easy to do.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2020, 04:34:42 PM »
I did last year just a tarp (as tight as possible) but no slant and the water built up, when I came home after a day of rain there was a 2ft deep puddle of water which I had to shovel out.
My neighbor did the same thing but did not come home on time... his whole 2x4s and Schach snapped in half and broke some panels. he had to redo the whole Sukkah!
That's why I don't want a redo of that I want to a little more professional is the pully/tarp/pvc on slanted 2x4 a very big job?
With the pvc (aka way to role from inside the succa) or without pvc, u always need a slant, that's a given.
The pulley system is just about making it easier durring yom tov (and not getting wet...)

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2020, 04:39:19 PM »
My understanding @ejb123 and @Josef.koney disagree, they think you don't need PVC etc, unless I misunderstood
I'm not totally understanding this, I use a pvc.
The pvc is just to allow the tarp to role. If you want to go outside and do it urself, go ahead...
As for the slant, there def needs a slant and having some kind of ledge/track for the tarp to be on is a good idea. The 2 ways to make the slant is either have the succa boards made on a slant (little more difficult, but no wind problems, no support problems etc.) Or to have your succa boards straight and just have a track that's on a slant.
I hope I'm being clear...

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2020, 11:30:09 AM »
I'm not totally understanding this, I use a pvc.
The pvc is just to allow the tarp to role. If you want to go outside and do it urself, go ahead...
As for the slant, there def needs a slant and having some kind of ledge/track for the tarp to be on is a good idea. The 2 ways to make the slant is either have the succa boards made on a slant (little more difficult, but no wind problems, no support problems etc.) Or to have your succa boards straight and just have a track that's on a slant.
I hope I'm being clear...
Very Clear, Thank you very much!
How thick should my PVC pipe be 6"?

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2020, 11:25:10 PM »
Very Clear, Thank you very much!
How thick should my PVC pipe be 6"?
Iirc HD has 2 sizes, (they are white and have some holes throughout the pipe..) get the bigger size. Get covers for the end so animals don't enjoy the space...

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Re: building a sukkah shlock
« Reply #74 on: Yesterday at 05:11:40 AM »
Iirc HD has 2 sizes, (they are white and have some holes throughout the pipe..) get the bigger size. Get covers for the end so animals don't enjoy the space...
HD has alot more than two sizes.....
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