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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2015, 12:45:47 AM »
This whole thing started because of the headline of an article. It turns out the article is accurate or do I have that wrong?
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2015, 12:49:10 AM »
From the way its brought up in American news when tragedy strikes Jews around the world to other international tragedies I don't think you are correct
How would you know if I am correct or not since the comment was about tragedies that happen here. Why does everyone want to confuse a simple issue?

Disclaimer: That was a rhetorical question.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2015, 12:53:33 AM »
How would you know if I am correct or not since the comment was about tragedies that happen here. Why does everyone want to confuse a simple issue?

Disclaimer: That was a rhetorical question.
Not trying to confuse anything but besides for where it happens you have to take who it happened to into consideration as well and the way I'm judging is by taking two international stories (one non  Jews one Jews) and comparing the American outrage

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2015, 12:57:03 AM »
This whole thing started because of the headline of an article. It turns out the article is accurate or do I have that wrong?
Could be the article is correct but when the headline is off the whole story is read differently

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2015, 01:03:15 AM »
Could be the article is correct but when the headline is off the whole story is read differently
Even with the original headline anyone who read the story understands what happened. You are playing the persecution card because of the headline when the story is accurate. You know how that makes you look?

Disclaimer: Another rhetorical question.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #125 on: October 08, 2015, 01:07:50 AM »
So you think there would be outrage and accusations that he only cares about Mormon's?


Yes. And if Joe Lieberman would only express concern over Jewish tragedies during his vice presidential campaign the outrage would probably have been likewise (or worse), and justifiably so. But how does this compare to what goes on here on DDF? If I visited an online forum of any ethnic group and found that most of the news stories they discuss is related to their community, I probably wouldn't be outraged.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #126 on: October 08, 2015, 01:58:14 AM »
Yes. And if Joe Lieberman would only express concern over Jewish tragedies during his vice presidential campaign the outrage would probably have been likewise (or worse), and justifiably so. But how does this compare to what goes on here on DDF? If I visited an online forum of any ethnic group and found that most of the news stories they discuss is related to their community, I probably wouldn't be outraged.
The problem as I see it isn't most it is closer to all. What if there was a mass shooting of twenty kids killed. Out of those twenty 2 or 3 were Jewish kids. I guarantee you the focus on this forum would be on those 2 or 3 kids. Try and put yourself in the position of a non-Jew that would read that thread. What conclusion you think he or she would come to?

Also isn't most here American citizens? A mass shooting in America killing innocent Americans isn't a concern of yours? Should I only be concerned with shootings of people of my background? Do you know how insensitive that sounds?
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #127 on: October 08, 2015, 02:21:10 AM »


The problem as I see it isn't most it is closer to all. What if there was a mass shooting of twenty kids killed. Out of those twenty 2 or 3 were Jewish kids. I guarantee you the focus on this forum would be on those 2 or 3 kids. Try and put yourself in the position of a non-Jew that would read that thread. What conclusion you think he or she would come to?

Also isn't most here American citizens? A mass shooting in America killing innocent Americans isn't a concern of yours? Should I only be concerned with shootings of people of my background? Do you know how insensitive that sounds?

Do you really think that an attack in which a few jews were also killed compares to / would get the same reaction as an attack targeting solely jews solely because they are jews?

And how do you expect the reaction to be the same for a fellow citizen in a country of 320 million to 13 million? Not to mention a 13 million that shares DNA and thousands of years of history, as opposed to living in the same general area (because that's what citizens are).

This is getting a little ridiculous.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #128 on: October 08, 2015, 03:03:53 AM »
This is getting a little ridiculous.
DNA? How about I just agree with your statement and leave it at that?
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #129 on: October 08, 2015, 04:14:51 AM »
The answer is very simple Rabbi Moskowitz.

1) There are many accidents that happen in Israel it doesn't bring the attention etc to these threads as opposed to being targeted simply because of your religion.

2) If someone is murdered simply because he is Jewish means that we too would be killed by the perpetrator bringing more emotion.

3) The Jewish nation has a long bitter history of hatred and animosity. It's the only religion to have an official name for the hatred. Anti Semitic. Therefore when an attack happens we are reminded that our unfortunate history is alive and kicking.

4) it's a controversial headline, and THAT brings attention! Look how everyone is up with Carson's comments!  Obama's Gun control speech ( he will politicize the issue )! White Supremacy ( CNN made him whiter )! Unfortunately not with the tragedy.

And Yes I'm aware that the Oregon shooter would have killed a Jew as well, he killed anyone with a religious association.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #130 on: October 08, 2015, 05:13:50 AM »
The answer is very simple Rabbi Moskowitz.

1) There are many accidents that happen in Israel it doesn't bring the attention etc to these threads as opposed to being targeted simply because of your religion.

2) If someone is murdered simply because he is Jewish means that we too would be killed by the perpetrator bringing more emotion.

3) The Jewish nation has a long bitter history of hatred and animosity. It's the only religion to have an official name for the hatred. Anti Semitic. Therefore when an attack happens we are reminded that our unfortunate history is alive and kicking.

4) it's a controversial headline, and THAT brings attention! Look how everyone is up with Carson's comments!  Obama's Gun control speech ( he will politicize the issue )! White Supremacy ( CNN made him whiter )! Unfortunately not with the tragedy.

And Yes I'm aware that the Oregon shooter would have killed a Jew as well, he killed anyone with a religious association.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #131 on: October 08, 2015, 06:59:02 AM »
And Yes I'm aware that the Oregon shooter would have killed a Jew as well, he killed anyone with a religious association.
Are you also aware that if one of the victims was a Jew it would be front and center on DDF and just not be talked about as gun control? This is an American tragedy on American soil. Can you understand why a non-Jew reading a thread like that would come to the conclusion that you only care about the Jew? I am not asking you to agree with me. I am asking you can you see a person coming to that conclusion without knowing the history of Judaism.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #132 on: October 08, 2015, 07:18:12 AM »
Yes, an uneducated person who peeks in for a minute will get that idea...

Reminds me of this well known vort (torah lesson/teaching)
There is a well known verse in psalms that goes-
"Hashem protects all who love Him; and all the wicked He will destroy."

If someone would walk out early from prayers all he would hear is

"Hashem protects all who love Him; and all the wicked. "
And if he were to walk in late he would hear
"All who love Him; and all the wicked He will destroy."

Gotta get the full picture, we can't help someone who doesn't.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #133 on: October 08, 2015, 07:34:47 AM »
Yes, an uneducated person who peeks in for a minute will get that idea...
Finally someone who is not afraid to answer a question. +1000

I would disagree with the uneducated part. Very few understand their own religion let alone someone else's religion.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #134 on: October 08, 2015, 07:43:55 AM »

Finally someone who is not afraid to answer a question. +1000

I would disagree with the uneducated part. Very few understand their own religion let alone someone else's religion.
I say uneducated in reference to him not knowing Jewish history not his entire being...
I don't think anyone well disagree about how it looks to an outsider, they're just saying how it looks to an outsider is not what it actually is.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #135 on: October 08, 2015, 07:46:18 AM »
I say uneducated in reference to him not knowing Jewish history not his entire being...
I don't think anyone well disagree about how it looks to an outsider, they're just saying how it looks to an outsider is not what it actually is.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #136 on: October 08, 2015, 07:51:25 AM »

Where were you 5 pages ago?  :)
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #137 on: October 08, 2015, 09:02:55 AM »
This is seriously crazy, every couple of hours  :-[

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #138 on: October 08, 2015, 09:55:06 AM »
Apparently (unconfirmed) there was just a stabbing attack on rechov chavakuk. That's the street where Manny's bookstore is located, in Mea Shearim!

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2015, 10:06:54 AM »

Apparently (unconfirmed) there was just a stabbing attack on rechov chavakuk. That's the street where Manny's bookstore is located, in Mea Shearim!
Source? I see nothing on my end