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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2015, 05:57:09 AM »
My point is that just as nothing is happening to "their women" and this terrorist is using it as an excuse to murder, he is using the supposed defilement of their holy site as an excuse to murder.

You seem to be falling for their propaganda pictures of screaming Muslim women on Har Habayis and explaining murder as a direct result of that. In reality, it is just another excuse to wage intifada.

The real cause of these uprisings is when Israel shows itself as spineless and unwilling to deal forcefully with terrorists. This is quite evident across the middle east when outside forces weakened the governments from within and therefore caused uprising.

So, to answer your question, what Israel could do to stop this is to be more forceful and confident in it's actions. Lethal force wherever necessary etc. Oh, and stop apologising to the world for defending itself.

I know that those days are long gone, but ask Israelis what it was like post 1967 and they'll tell you that an Arab would be afraid to look a Jew in the eye. Bring back that fear. We've tried the niceties and it hasn't worked.

I am not a zionist, but I care about my family in EY and therefore feel that this is the action that has to be taken in order to ensure their safety. And please, please don't delude yourself into believing that this slaughter is a direct result of people going up to Har Habayis.
Couldn't have said it better!
Har Habayis being the trigger is absolute baloney! Such a lowly animal who is willing to give up his life just to kill a  jew, will do it no matter what happens. It's not a matter of "if" but rather a matter of "when"

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2015, 06:51:57 AM »
I guess I am just more familiar with what these temperamental animals are really like.

Imagine you lived somewhere, and your next door neighbor was a violent antisemitic drunk who hated you. Would you a. Always be polite, and not let your kids walk on his lawn. Or b. would you dafka walk on his lawn and declare that this does not justify him getting violent??


תהיה חכם, אל תהיה צודק!

At minimum we shouldn't give them what you see they are using for an "excuse".


And BTW, how would you make a suicidal religious zealot more "afraid" of you??

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2015, 07:19:07 AM »


Imagine you lived somewhere, and your next door neighbor was a violent antisemitic drunk who hated you. Would you a. Always be polite, and not let your kids walk on his lawn. Or b. would you dafka walk on his lawn and declare that this does not justify him getting violent??
Not comparable to walking on their private lawn. Precisely the disagreement

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2015, 07:42:01 AM »
Couldn't have said it better!
+1, I agree with every word as well.

I guess I am just more familiar with what these temperamental animals are really like.

Imagine you lived somewhere, and your next door neighbor was a violent antisemitic drunk who hated you. Would you a. Always be polite, and not let your kids walk on his lawn. Or b. would you dafka walk on his lawn and declare that this does not justify him getting violent??

תהיה חכם, אל תהיה צודק!

At minimum we shouldn't give them what you see they are using for an "excuse".

And BTW, how would you make a suicidal religious zealot more "afraid" of you??

1. They are giving their life for their belief that we will agree to even more concessions.
2. This thought is vindicated by our expressing willingness To negotiate for "peace".
3. Perhaps one show of force won't make one zealot afraid, but culmatively their entire system of preachers who incite hatred would be weakened if they know we won't budge/negotiate and will retaliate strongly for even the smallest incident of violence. If they have nothing to gain and everything to lose...
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2015, 08:09:48 AM »
I know that those days are long gone, but ask Israelis what it was like post 1967 and they'll tell you that an Arab would be afraid to look a Jew in the eye. Bring back that fear. We've tried the niceties and it hasn't worked.
How do you accomplish this? Should Israel act like the Mafia?
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2015, 08:39:53 AM »
How do you accomplish this? Should Israel act like the Mafia?
If need be. Would you not do the same to save your brother's lives?
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2015, 08:45:06 AM »
If need be. Would you not do the same to save your brother's lives?
I am just trying to understand what is being proposed. Are you asking me about my real brother or a fellow American?
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2015, 08:55:36 AM »
I am just trying to understand what is being proposed. Are you asking me about my real brother or a fellow American?
Real brother

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2015, 08:57:08 AM »
Real brother
Hopefully I would be able to find another way first.
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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2015, 09:10:54 AM »
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2015, 11:50:00 AM »
Imagine you lived somewhere, and your next door neighbor was a violent antisemitic drunk who hated you. Would you a. Always be polite, and not let your kids walk on his lawn. Or b. would you dafka walk on his lawn and declare that this does not justify him getting
The problem with your משל is that while your (and my) rabbis tell me not to go on har habayis their rabbis tell them they are doing a big mitzvah.  For them the question in your משל would be "should I take my yarmulka when I walk by their house in order to no upset him?"

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2015, 12:39:48 PM »
The problem with your משל is that while your (and my) rabbis tell me not to go on har habayis their rabbis tell them they are doing a big mitzvah.  For them the question in your משל would be "should I take my yarmulka when I walk by their house in order to no upset him?"
Um, if it has many times, and CV will lead to blood shed, then its quite literally a no brainer.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2015, 01:05:48 PM »
Here we go again........
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Arab terrorist stabs and kills 2 in Jerusalem's old city!
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2015, 01:27:32 PM »
Maybe we should more all Israelis to Uganda to avoid antagonization  ::)
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