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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2015, 08:52:32 AM »
Bring back the hook slide. Where is Maury Wills when you need him?
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2015, 09:09:45 AM »
im still confused about the result
as bad a slide as it was, according to the rules, the ump has to make an immediate judgement call. thats not easy. ok, i get that.
but they reviewed tejada touching the bag. tejada didnt touch it, utley didnt touch it.
why does utley win? 

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2015, 09:15:40 AM »
im still confused about the result
as bad a slide as it was, according to the rules, the ump has to make an immediate judgement call. thats not easy. ok, i get that.
but they reviewed tejada touching the bag. tejada didnt touch it, utley didnt touch it.
why does utley win?
Utley left the field because he was called out.
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2015, 09:24:00 AM »
Utley left the field because he was called out.
The one thing I don't get is, didn't tejada not try and tag him because he was called out (that and the fact that Utley broke his leg)
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2015, 09:30:39 AM »
Utley left the field because he was called out.
Yes, but...
The one thing I don't get is, didn't tejada not try and tag him because he was called out (that and the fact that Utley broke his leg)
So utley didnt touch the bag bc he was called out. but why should tejada tag him (albeit with a broken leg) if he was called out
so its like shnayim ochzin betalis

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2015, 09:35:34 AM »
Did he or didn't he tag him? Trying doesn't count.
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2015, 09:36:10 AM »
Did he or didn't he tag him? Trying doesn't count.
he didnt tag him
he thought he stepped on the bag

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2015, 09:41:24 AM »
he didnt tag him
he thought he stepped on the bag
So they went to the replay. He did not tag the bag and the runner was never tagged. How can you call the runner out?
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2015, 09:41:48 AM »
So they went to the replay. He did not tag the bag and the runner was never tagged. How can you call the runner out?
how can you call him safe?

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2015, 09:44:03 AM »
how can you call him safe?
I am not following. He is safe according to the rules.
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2015, 09:44:17 AM »
I am not following. He is safe according to the rules.
im asking why the rule is that way

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2015, 09:48:01 AM »
im asking why the rule is that way
Sorry I didn't make the rule but this might help.

Q. So he never needed to touch the base?

Torre: He never needed to touch the base because the umpire called him out. You're correcting umpire's mistake. In that situation, by going to replay, and they see the runner never touched the base, but the umpire called him out, by replay rules we can correct the situation and put the runner on the bag.
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2015, 09:52:28 AM »
Sorry I didn't make the rule but this might help.

Q. So he never needed to touch the base?

Torre: He never needed to touch the base because the umpire called him out. You're correcting umpire's mistake. In that situation, by going to replay, and they see the runner never touched the base, but the umpire called him out, by replay rules we can correct the situation and put the runner on the bag.
the part i dont like is that had the mets tagged him on his way off the field, he would have been out, just like utley didnt know to touch the bag after being called out, the mets didnt know to touch the bag or tag him for him to be out.
obviously, this is all assuming he doesnt get called out for intentionally "sliding" directly at the fielder who was by no means in his way...but i digress

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2015, 10:23:36 AM »
Remember when the Jets brought in Joe Girrardi to teach Sanchez how to slide? Maybe Coughlin can bring in Utley to teach the secondary how to tackle.

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2015, 10:29:33 AM »
To me, the whole 'baserunner breaking up the double-play' is a silly and unnecessary part of the game. It's much less integral to the sport than blocking home/running over the catcher.

But that's the way it's been forever, so they're not likely to legislate it out completely.

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2015, 12:06:05 PM »
I don't envy him.
hell hear the boos but they wont hit him.
if they warn the benches before the game, harvey gets ejected for hitting him. and unless its a blow out, its just too big of a game to bring in, say, robles to plunk him and put him on
as for next year, anythings fair game

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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2015, 12:22:51 PM »
the part i dont like is that had the mets tagged him on his way off the field, he would have been out, just like utley didnt know to touch the bag after being called out, the mets didnt know to touch the bag or tag him for him to be out.
I know Torre said that but I don't know if that is accurate. Common sense would tells the play is over after he is called out.
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Re: Dodgers' Chase Utley suspended by MLB for Games 3 and 4 of NLDS
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2015, 12:34:08 PM »
i have trouble with that as well, if he didnt tag the base because he was called out, what difference would it make if they tagged him afterward?