Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy

[yitrap]

Yes. From what I was reading if you went to your Rabbi with a question you were to follow his decision.

In general yes, there are rare rare opportunities when you don't and like he said

that the scenario would have to check off a bunch of different boxes for me to not follow it. And certainly, no matter what, the process involves a lot of thinking, and often learning.

There was just a TR of someone who was told he only had to keep one day of Shabbos in Hawaii but he decided not to risk that...

[dealfinder85]

There was just a TR of someone who was told he only had to keep one day of Shabbos in Hawaii but he decided not to risk that...

not relying on a kula is much different than not listening to your rabbi, which sounded like a case of a chumra

[aygart]

You now how long it would take me to figure out what you just said? 

Sorry bout that. The basic idea is that any area for which the string works was really not forbidden in the first place. There is just a rabbinic decree that since the area can look like a forbidden area one must put up a string or the like to show that it is different. In other words the string is not a leniency at all but a stringency that it is required in the first place.

[yitrap]

not relying on a kula is much different than not listening to your rabbi, which sounded like a case of a chumra

Correct, just bringing in a point.
In general if your Rabbi tells you point blank you cannot do something it's pretty rare/unacceptable to go find another one who lets...

[dealfinder85]

Correct, just bringing in a point.
In general if your Rabbi tells you point blank you cannot do something it's pretty rare/unacceptable to go find another one who lets...

you would have to let the other rabbi know that you were told not to do this by so and so

[David Smith]

CAN WE PLEASE NOT FIGHT ABOUT WHO'S RELIGION IS BETTER!!! Sorry about the caps. (This is why i don't like these discussions.)

[dealfinder85]

CAN WE PLEASE NOT FIGHT ABOUT WHO'S RELIGION IS BETTER!!! Sorry about the caps.

i wouldnt say thats the discussion

[grodnoking]

Correct, just bringing in a point.
In general if your Rabbi tells you point blank you cannot do something it's unacceptable to go find another one who lets...

Ftfy

[David Smith]

That is why Catholicism keeps changing while Judaism stays the same

Please feel free to correct me. 
If your Rabbi said either yes or no you would follow that correct? I on the other hand would want to know the reason for his yes or no and based on his reason would then decide what to do.

I was typing my response for 10 minutes or so before I realized that this topic is far to vast and complex to have a decent conversation about it on a forum. Suffice it to say that you probably don't understand Judaism nearly as well as you think you do.

[dealfinder85]

"chaim" and skyguy are discussing something related to judaism

[David Smith]

"chaim" and skyguy are discussing something related to judaism

I have kept up with the discussion, and I'm aware who said what. Discussing pros and cons of different aspects of religion is dangerous territory, imo.

[Redbull3]

I have kept up with the discussion, and I'm aware who said what. Discussing pros and cons of different aspects of religion is dangerous territory, imo.

Even if, why? Who cares?

[aygart]

That covers the light issue, but what about causing the refrigerator/compressor to turn on, which should be assur as well?  Enjoy explaining that one. 

No different than opening your house door in winter knowing it will cause your heat to kick in, which is definitely a deoraisa.

CMIIW but neither of those things are true.. that it's 100% guaranteed (or even 51% likely) that those actions will lead to those stated results. Unlike the light.

Would it make a difference if it was 1% true. I have opened a refrigerator and heard the compressor kick on.

In this case it somewhat makes a difference how old the fridge is. In older fridges the system was entirely dependent upon a mechanical thermostat and you could never really know if the it was getting close to turning on and the "blast of warm air" from opening the fridge would make it turn on right when you open the fridge or not. In such a case it is a well known controversy whether or not one is required to be concerned that it is at that point.

In newer fridges there is chip which will turn the system on whenever the door is opened. Therefore one would need to use a device which holds down the switch to prevent this. THis is not a loophole. There is nothing wrong with opening a fridge. The problem is similar to the light.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Discussing pros and cons of different aspects of religion is dangerous territory, imo.

Even if you respect the others person religion?

[aygart]

Another fun loophole:  Schechita (ritual slaughtering, one of the integral mitzvos of every day observance).  Do you know how many chickens we've all eaten that were schechted with a posul knife?  But it's still kosher!  As long as the first 3 chickens were done properly. 

Source?

[dealfinder85]

Source?

i was wondering similarly
but anyway, the ideas of rov and chazaka are not loopholes

[good sam]

Source?

I'm assuming he meant you don't have to check the knife. You can't eat it if you know it's pasul.

[yos9694]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/sidelining-female-rabbis-orthodox-group-votes-to-butt-heads/

My prediction: Modern Orthodoxy will fall out of mainstream orthodoxy within 50 years. Orthodoxy and Modern Orthodoxy will become mutually exclusive, much like the Conservative and Reform movements.

Disagree. Modern Orthodoxy will cease to exist through attrition. Few of this generation are staying the MO course - most either become more yeshivish and join right wing communities (one half of passaic falls into this category) or go in the opposite direction and start letting go of their heritage (many examples in this category but I neither wish nor need to name names)

[yochiek93]

Another fun loophole:  Schechita (ritual slaughtering, one of the integral mitzvos of every day observance).  Do you know how many chickens we've all eaten that were schechted with a posul knife?  But it's still kosher!  As long as the first 3 chickens were done properly.

Source? I heard from a shochet the exact opposite that if their is a psul in the knife they throw out the whole batch

[David Smith]

Source? I heard from a shochet the exact opposite that if their is a psul in the knife they throw out the whole batch

That's basic chazaka; that if it was established to be kosher before and now you see it isn't, we assume that the status quo remained until determined otherwise.