Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Another fun loophole:  Schechita (ritual slaughtering, one of the integral mitzvos of every day observance).  Do you know how many chickens we've all eaten that were schechted with a posul knife?  But it's still kosher!  As long as the first 3 chickens were done properly.

You trying to take my troll title away? 

[Aaaron]

You trying to take my troll title away? 

I'll bite and stir the pot.

Nah, that throne is all yours.  I'm just having some fun.

[cubicles]

not everything depends on halacha
my .02 is the shabbos switch... is more hashkufa problem then halacha

[skyguy918]

Myself and millions of other. The difference is pretty simple that I think we all can agree on. Some look at a spiritual advisor as someone who tells tell what is allowed and not allowed. While others look at this person for guidance.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. When people in this thread talk about 'the Rabbis', we're not referring to our current, modern-day, spiritual advisers - as you put it. We're talking about the Rabbis of the Mishna, the Talmud, etc. We're referring to what's known as the Oral Law.

Can you give me an example of what you view as people looking to their spiritual adviser for what is allowed and what is not allowed, as opposed to looking for guidance?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Can you give me an example of what you view as people looking to their spiritual adviser for what is allowed and what is not allowed, as opposed to looking for guidance?

Am I allowed to sell miles/points?

[skyguy918]

Am I allowed to sell miles/points?

I can't tell which direction you're going with that.

[Redbull3]

I can't tell which direction you're going with that.

Can you give me an example of what you view as people looking to their spiritual adviser for what is allowed and what is not allowed, as opposed to looking for guidance?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I can't tell which direction you're going with that.

Please feel free to correct me. 
If your Rabbi said either yes or no you would follow that correct? I on the other hand would want to know the reason for his yes or no and based on his reason would then decide what to do.

[grodnoking]

Would it make a difference if it was 1% true. I have opened a refrigerator and heard the compressor kick on.

Thats why we have to get a refrigerator that doesnt have the mode in which the compressor turns on automatically when you open the door. Or one which has a switch to turn off, and therefore not letting the refrigerator know when the door is open and only turns on later when a separate mechanism realizes it to hot inside (and therefore grama).

[skyguy918]

Please feel free to correct me. 
If your Rabbi said either yes or no you would follow that correct? I on the other hand would want to know the reason for his yes or no and based on his reason would then decide what to do.

I was typing my response for 10 minutes or so before I realized that this topic is far to vast and complex to have a decent conversation about it on a forum. Suffice it to say that you probably don't understand Judaism nearly as well as you think you do.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Suffice it to say that you probably don't understand Judaism nearly as well as you think you do.

I never pretended to know Judaism. I do pick up pieces here and there by asking questions. I thought I asked you a simple basic question.

[good sam]

Please feel free to correct me. 
If your Rabbi said either yes or no you would follow that correct? I on the other hand would want to know the reason for his yes or no and based on his reason would then decide what to do.

That is why Catholicism keeps changing while Judaism stays the same

[skyguy918]

I never pretended to know Judaism. I do pick up pieces here and there by asking questions. I thought I asked you a simple basic question.

I did it again. Started typing for a few minutes before realizing I couldn't convey a proper answer in this space.

My answer is that I've never bought/sold miles, or asked a Rabbi about it. But if I would, I would say that an extremely large majority of the time I'd follow my Rabbi's response, and that the scenario would have to check off a bunch of different boxes for me to not follow it. And certainly, no matter what, the process involves a lot of thinking, and often learning.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

That is why Catholicism keeps changing while Judaism stays the same

I will agree with the first part now is it possible to get an answer to my simple question?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

My answer is that I've never bought/sold miles, or asked a Rabbi about it. But if I would, I would say that an extremely large majority of the time I'd follow my Rabbi's response, and that the scenario would have to check off a bunch of different boxes for me to not follow it. And certainly, no matter what, the process involves a lot of thinking, and often learning.

See I just learned something.

[good sam]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/sidelining-female-rabbis-orthodox-group-votes-to-butt-heads/

My prediction: Modern Orthodoxy will fall out of mainstream orthodoxy within 50 years. Orthodoxy and Modern Orthodoxy will become mutually exclusive, much like the Conservative and Reform movements.

[yitrap]

See I just learned something.

That there are times when we wouldn't listen to our Rabbi?

[good sam]

That there are times when skyguy918 wouldn't listen to his Rabbi?

FTFY

[ChaimMoskowitz]

That there are times when we wouldn't listen to our Rabbi?

Yes. From what I was reading if you went to your Rabbi with a question you were to follow his decision.

[skyguy918]

FTFY

My Rabbi is not your Rabbi?

That there are times when we wouldn't listen to our Rabbi?

I'll give you an example. Let's say the answer is mostly advice, and not halacha. Or he tells you that there are 2 opinions, and ba'al nefesh yachmir. Would you never consider being meikel?