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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #200 on: November 12, 2015, 03:55:09 PM »
He's an OO apologist who wants to compare them to chabbad. Frankly, if I would be chabbad I would be disappointed with the comparison
You have reading comprehension issues?
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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #201 on: November 12, 2015, 04:04:32 PM »
You have reading comprehension issues?
Yes. What is his point? I don't get it

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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #202 on: November 12, 2015, 04:09:14 PM »
Yes. What is his point? I don't get it
His point was that Chabad is so busy with trying to help people and spread the beauty of Yiddishkeit that they don't get bogged down with who's in and who's out, but rather are focused on other things. And while he realizes why it's necessary for Orthdox Judaism to engage in the exercise, he wishes it wasn't.
Nowhere did he even begin to compare OO to chabad.
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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #203 on: November 12, 2015, 04:15:56 PM »
His point was that Chabad is so busy with trying to help people and spread the beauty of Yiddishkeit that they don't get bogged down with who's in and who's out, but rather are focused on other things. And while he realizes why it's necessary for Orthdox Judaism to engage in the exercise, he wishes it wasn't.
Nowhere did he even begin to compare OO to chabad.
Chabbad is an extremely exclusive sect. You're either in chabbad or out. You could say the same thing about Gur, Viznitz etc.

Chabbad are more accepting or balei teshuva. But so what. These are people coming in.

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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #204 on: November 12, 2015, 05:07:34 PM »
His point was that Chabad is so busy with trying to help people and spread the beauty of Yiddishkeit that they don't get bogged down with who's in and who's out, but rather are focused on other things. And while he realizes why it's necessary for Orthdox Judaism to engage in the exercise, he wishes it wasn't.
Nowhere did he even begin to compare OO to chabad.
The only problem with that logic is that it's not true.

Chabad doesn't disagree with the RCA and Moetzes on this issue, they just don't have any need to make that proclamation. And any attempt at contrasting Chabad's practice of engaging all Jews to bring them closer to Hashem to the RCA and Moetzes's statements is certainly disingenuous. Chabad is not accepting of the OO movement either. They may still try to engage those who consider themselves OO, but that doesn't make them accepting of the movement.

Just to give you an extreme example, if missionaries were trying to convert Jews in CH, would Chabad be okay with that? The RCA and Moetzes decided that OO poses a danger to their constituency so long as OO brands itself Orthodox. Chabad doesn't feel that way for their constituency, at least not yet. If they did, you'd hear about it from Chabad as well.

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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #205 on: November 12, 2015, 06:40:10 PM »
No one said that chabad accepts OO.
Do you guys read what you want to read?

And you're telling me that if the moetzes didn't come out with this proclamation people would have thought that OO falls under the purview of their kehillah?

No one is saying the moetzes did anything wrong. Just that the state of affairs is sad
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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #206 on: November 12, 2015, 06:45:40 PM »
Chabbad is an extremely exclusive sect. You're either in chabbad or out. You could say the same thing about Gur, Viznitz etc.

Chabbad are more accepting or balei teshuva. But so what. These are people coming in.
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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #207 on: November 12, 2015, 07:13:47 PM »
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You're talking from experience?
Il tell you one thing for sure, they don't like me

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Re: Moetzes issue proclamation condemning open orthodoxy
« Reply #208 on: November 12, 2015, 07:47:19 PM »
Il tell you one thing for sure, they don't like me
Definitely not because of "either in or out".