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[aygart]

What about converts? How can they inherit the Jewish specialness if they are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

They become foster family

[yitrap]

What about converts? How can they inherit the Jewish specialness if they are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

They become the son of Abraham, which is why they are called ben Avraham for all religious things

[luckyluck]

Going to take that as a yes.   

You know what's amazing in that chart?
Still life cannot choose to become vegetable, a vegetable cannot choose to become an animal, and an animal cannot choose to become human.
 

[ShlockDoc]

We have different definitions of good people. Mine is very black and white. Without being judgmental.

Btw, If you teach a child that EVERYONE is good, because there really is no good or bad... IE You can be a good reform Jew, a good gentile, a good pot dealer, a good gay person, a good orthodox rabbi etc. Then IMHO the child is lost in a politically correct mad world.

Orthodox Jews are guided by the Torah subject to the interpretations only of gedoley Torah, (not any feminist wannabe)for the  definitions of good or bad.

Who teaches their kids that there are no bad people?  There are good orthodox rabbis and bad orthodox rabbis, there are good gay people and bad gay people. I don't think I followed your point.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I am checking out now. I learned a long time ago when someone won't answer a straight simple question they are afraid of the answer.

[ShlockDoc]

They become the son of Abraham, which is why they are called ben Avraham for all religious things

So then it's not about birthright. There's something else akin to Christians "accepting Christ". 

In Judiasm, you are special if you have the birthright and/or accept the Torah as your guide.

Is that a good summary of your opinion?

[yitrap]

I am checking out now. I learned a long time ago when someone won't answer a straight simple question they are afraid of the answer.

Chazal definitely held that way.

[aygart]

I am checking out now. I learned a long time ago when someone won't answer a straight simple question they are afraid of the answer.

Judaism feels that Jews are born on a higher spiritual level but there are caveats to it. Not everything can be simplified to a simple yes or no.

[aygart]

So then it's not about birthright. There's something else akin to Christians "accepting Christ". 

In Judiasm, you are special if you have the birthright and/or accept the Torah as your guide.

Is that a good summary of your opinion?

It would take more than accepting Torah as your guide. Geirus is more than that.

[luckyluck]

I am checking out now. I learned a long time ago when someone won't answer a straight simple question they are afraid of the answer.

Being afraid doesn't make it wrong.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

That was better than nothing but I was looking more for the consensus view.

[aygart]

That was better than nothing but I was looking more for the consensus view.

YOu haven't yet learned that you will not get a consensus view here about ANYTHING?!?!

[ShlockDoc]

That was better than nothing but I was looking more for the consensus view.

Consensus view?!?!  We don't really do that in Judaism...

[yakrot]

Let's put this in a different view. What does it mean when we say daily, shelo asani Isha?  Are you saying that men are better?

[ShlockDoc]

Let's put this in a different view. What does it mean when we say daily, shelo asani Isha?  Are you saying that men are better?

My kavana when I say that is thanking God that I can pee standing up. Makes life so much easier!

[Aaaron]

Let's put this in a different view. What does it mean when we say daily, shelo asani Isha?  Are you saying that men are better?

Yes, Judaism teaches that men are better than women, and Jews are better then non-Jews.  Does that clarify things?

[David Smith]

Two separate things are being discussed. I believe that it is good to be a Jew, but not that being a Jew makes me good. If anybody doesn't believe that being a Jew is a positive thing, they shouldn't waste their time pretending to be one. And if you feel the need to apologize for G-d, you obviously don't believe in one.

[aygart]

Let's put this in a different view. What does it mean when we say daily, shelo asani Isha?  Are you saying that men are better?

Those are referring to how many mitzvos the person is commanded to do. Hence the order goy, eved, isha.

[elya]

Yes, Judaism teaches that men are better than women, and Jews are better then non-Jews.  Does that clarify things?

You obviously never had any good Rabeim..
Men are not in any way better than women per se,  just each has a different handbook as to how to reach their full potential. Would you say an engine of a car is more important than the body? Each are of equal importance, and without either of them the car cannot run. Men and women are of equal components in Avodas Hashem just with different qualities, and therefore with different purposes.

[Aaaron]

You obviously never had any good Rabeim..
Men are not in any way better than women per se,  just each has a different handbook as to how to reach their full potential. Would you say an engine of a car is more important than the body? Each are of equal importance, and without either of them the car cannot run. Men and women are of equal components in Avodas Hashem just with different qualities, and therefore with different purposes.

And you had apologetics for Rebeim.  What does it mean that you're koneh an isha from her father?  If the life of a man and a woman are in peril who gets saved first?  What does it mean that a woman can never get divorced against her husband's will but a husband can(until Rabbeinu Gershom)?  I can go on.