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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2015, 06:50:45 PM »
Translate the poster's inference however you like.  Most of us are taught that we're better than Goyim.
Can I ask better in what ways?
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2015, 06:52:29 PM »
Translate the poster's inference however you like.  Most of us are taught that we're better than Goyim.

Hence SD's decision not to send to such schools.

I'm not asking about the poster. I'm asking you personally when you say "higher level of being" what that means to you.

And I agree. Even with those who aren't taught that directly.  There is definitely a problem in the religious world and the way we speak that gives over this idea that "we" are better than "them".
And it's not just them, the non jews. It's them the not religious or them the less religious etc etc.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2015, 06:54:10 PM »
I'm not asking about the poster. I'm asking you personally when you say "higher level of being" what that means to you.
Inquiring minds want to know.  :)
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2015, 06:54:17 PM »
Can I ask better in what ways?

Again, in esoteric terms, we're just better.  We don't have the same cravings, materialism, desires, lack of self control, etc.  Some of the more knowledgeable posters can probably clarify better than I.

I'm not asking about the poster. I'm asking you personally when you say "higher level of being" what that means to you.

I don't believe it, so it doesn't really matter. 

ETA:  I'm of the belief that chance of birth into a specific religion does absolutely nothing for you.  It's your personal choices, decisions, and actions that make you a good person.  Inb4 I'm called a self-hating Jew.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2015, 07:02:23 PM »
I'm not asking about the poster. I'm asking you personally when you say "higher level of being" what that means to you.

And I agree. Even with those who aren't taught that directly.  There is definitely a problem in the religious world and the way we speak that gives over this idea that "we" are better than "them".
And it's not just them, the non jews. It's them the not religious or them the less religious etc etc.

I'd love to erase the word "Goyim" from our vocabulary. At this point it is associated with negative connotations and I think it would start to lead us in the right direction if we start referring to them as "Non-Jews".


Just recently a friend of mine who works with kids had to borrow a colleagues office to meet with a child. The child starting playing with something in the office and the friend had to tell them to stop because it didn't belong to him and they were borrowing the office. The child dropped the item in disgust and said " You mean it belongs to a goy??"



Even in "better" schools and more open minded places you have so much of that coming across indirectly and in subtle ways. It's awful.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2015, 07:05:53 PM »
That was the last year that I sent my kids to an Orthodox school...
But you're not even orthodox. Why did you send them there to begin with?

Excuse me for invading your privacy, but I'm curious if you were actually brought up frum and then one day "realized" that its all "make believe"? or did you grow up being a mechalel shabbos/reform or something and somewhere along the way decided to become a quasi baal teshuva for social reasons.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2015, 07:16:26 PM »
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2015, 07:18:46 PM »
I'd love to erase the word "Goyim" from our vocabulary. At this point it is associated with negative connotations and I think it would start to lead us in the right direction if we start referring to them as "Non-Jews".
Why is Non-Jews okay? A) Goyim means nations. Why is that derogatory?     B) Non Jew implies that the person is lacking something by not being jewish.    And Gentile is a better description than Non-jews although it means the same thing.

genĚtile
ˈjen(t)īl/
noun
plural noun: Gentiles
a person who is not Jewish.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2015, 07:23:12 PM »
ETA:  I'm of the belief that chance of birth into a specific religion does absolutely nothing for you.  It's your personal choices, decisions, and actions that make you a good person.  Inb4 I'm called a self-hating Jew.

A huge factor of your decisions and behavior in life will be the environment where you were brought up.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2015, 07:25:55 PM »
A huge factor of your decisions and behavior in life will be the environment where you were brought up.
Yes but you have no say in what religion you are born into.
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2015, 07:27:13 PM »
A huge factor of your decisions and behavior in life will be the environment where you were brought up.

What does that have to do with religion? 

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2015, 07:27:41 PM »
Why is Non-Jews okay? A) Goyim means nations. Why is that derogatory?     B) Non Jew implies that the person is lacking something by not being jewish.    And Gentile is a better description than Non-jews although it means the same thing.

genĚtile
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noun
plural noun: Gentiles
a person who is not Jewish.
The point is to make sure the kids have no pride in their yiddishkeit. Everything else is just semantics.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2015, 07:29:24 PM »
The point is to make sure the kids have no pride in their yiddishkeit. Everything else is just semantics.

The problem isn't kids being taught to be proud, but to be proud to the degradation of someone or something else.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2015, 07:30:35 PM »
The point is to make sure the kids have no pride in their yiddishkeit. Everything else is just semantics.

My kids are EXTREMELY proud of being Jewish. But they also respect as equals people who are not.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2015, 07:31:39 PM »
ורוממתנו מכל הלשונות.

I guess you can stop davening.